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Barton: One More Bombing Run Would have Won the Vietnam War

Last week we discovered that a few presentations that David Barton had delivered at Gateway Church were posted on their website.  And, being gluttons for punishment, we decided to watch them, even though they were a few years old.

Back in 2007, Barton delivered a message entitled "America's Godly Heritage" right before Memorial Day where he made the case that God was pro-war, so much so that He even "gifted" certain people with the skills necessary for battle just as some people are gifted in the arts or sports. 

One of those people, Barton said, was Congressman Sam Johnson whom Barton called "maybe the most godly man I have ever met." While discussing the seven years Johnson spent as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, Barton made an aside in which he asserted that intelligence now shows that had the US just done one more bombing run, the Viet Cong would have surrendered:

Barton: Everything Biblical is Treated like it is Evil

This must be Anti-islam week on "WallBuilders Live," as yesterday David Barton welcomed Bridgette Gabriel on for a program where he misrepresented the "Zombie Mohammed" assault case in Pennsylvania to demonstrate that secular law is paving the way for Sharia in America.

Today, Barton and co-host Rick Green welcomed anti-Islam activist Jerry Boykin to the program where Barton complained that everything Biblical is being treated as if it is evil: 

There is such a hostility toward Biblical stuff, whether it's Jewish or Christian, there's such a hostility [that] we'll embrace anything as long as it's not Jewish or Christian. And that's a result of our universities, that's a result of what we've done in Hollywood for a number of years, that's a result of the kind of people we have put in office. It is unbelievable to me that we have allowed several cycles of educational stuff to go through where evil is Christian; if it's Christian, if it's Jewish, if it's Biblical, it's evil. Everything else is really wholesome and healthy.

Fischer: The Constitution and Declaration are Covenants with God

Bryan Fischer generally begins every daily radio program with a reading from, discussion of, and prayer based on a few verses of the Bible.   On Friday, as he was reading from the book of Deuteronomy, he explained that God preserved the books of the Old Testament so that we can understand on He deals with nations that have entered a covenantal relationship with Him, as the United States did with the Declaration of Independence and Constitution:

When we look at these books of history of the Old Testament, one of the things we need to recognize is God has preserved these for us because he wants us to understand how God deals with nations, nations that have entered into some kind of a covenantal relationship with Him and we have done that. We have done that in the United States of America. Our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution represents a covenantal relationship with God.

In the Declaration of Independence we told God, look we are building the entire foundation of this political experiment on you ... So our whole approach to government, our whole approach to our political life, our shared common life is rooted and grounded in the Bible. We have made a covenant relationship with God.

We even dated both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, we dated them to the year of the birth of Jesus Christ. In fact, when the Founders, when they dated the Constitution 'the year of our Lord, 1787,' they referred to Jesus as 'our Lord." Don't let people tell you that Christ is not in the Constitution; He's in there.

Interesting Indeed: Tony Perkins' Creative Calculations

Earlier this week, the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life released the results of a survey showing that "the number of people who say there has been too much religious talk by political leaders stands at an all-time high ... and most Americans continue to say that churches and other houses of worship should keep out of politics."

In fact, the survey found that 38% think "there has been too much expression of religious faith and prayer from political leaders" while 30% say there has been too little and 25% think there has been the right amount.

Given these results, we can't say we are surprised to see Religious Right leaders respond by misrepresenting the findings:

Peterson: Blacks Using Trayvon Martin Tragedy to Get Even with Whites, Gain Political Power

As we have noted several times in the past, Jesse Lee Peterson of the Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny (BOND) has carved out a very unique niche as a black right-wing activist who specializes in accusing Democrats, and especially black Democrats, of being racist while defending white people who are accused of racism.

Earlier this year, Peterson made news when he declared that he would like "to take all black people back to the South and put them on the plantation so they would understand the ethic of working." So it comes as no surprise that Peterson has now decided to weigh in on the Trayvon Martin tragedy by declaring that the outrage over his death is not about justice but rather "about getting even with whites and gaining political power": 

"It's hypocritical for so-called black 'leaders' to call for the prosecution of George Zimmerman and accuse the police of racism without knowing the facts. Black-on-black crime takes place every day. And blacks kill whites in far greater numbers than whites kill blacks. Yet, we only see these leaders and their hypnotized black followers worked up when a black is victimized by another race. This is racist and evil.

"Where were the NAACP, Al Sharpton, the Black Caucus and black ministers when black flash mobs were terrorizing the city of Philadelphia and attacking whites and others? It was so bad that Mayor Michael Nutter threatened to jail parents if they were not willing to get their thug children under control. In Kansas City, a 13-year-old white kid was attacked by two black teens who poured gasoline on him and set him on fire saying, 'you get what you deserve, white boy.' If these leaders were sincere, they would condemn crime across the board.

"I've said for the last 22 years that most black Americans are brainwashed. The recent actions of these black leaders and their followers are not about justice—it's about getting even with whites and gaining political power. This is black hatred of white people and a result of more than fifty years of brainwashing by racist civil-rights leaders.

Movieguide Warns 'The Hunger Games' Will Lead to an American Hitler, Has 'Homosexual and Cross-Dressing Implications'

The Religious Right’s go-to movie review group, Movieguide, is not happy with The Hunger Games. Movieguide, a website dedicated to offering “in-depth analyses of current movies from a biblical perspective,” is also politically active. At May Day 2010, for instance, its president Ted Baehr urged conservative Christians to take the societal “mountain of arts and entertainment” and insisted that in order to reverse the “homosexualization of the culture,” politicians who support marriage equality should be tried and punished.

In its review of The Hunger Games, Movieguide wasn’t just upset about the violence in the PG-13 film but also worried about its “homosexual and cross-dressing implications” and characters who act “effeminately.” The group seems to completely miss the movie’s messages about societal oppression and how people can become desensitized to violence, even claiming that the dictatorship at the center of the film is not rebuked “strongly enough”:

Strong but not extremely explicit or very overt humanist worldview with some Romantic elements, plus light moral elements such as protagonist protects her younger sister, some strong elements suggesting opposition to totalitarian dictatorship, and some homosexual and cross-dressing implications where men in a large city wear makeup and gaudy outfits and a minor character acts effeminately; three profanities and five obscenities; very strong violence includes children kill children with knives, swords, bows and arrows, not always shown but with blood implied, girl is burned, youngest child is killed by bow stabbing right through her, adults get into fights and destroy buildings, mutated dogs eat boy, girl beaten against wall, and girls fight and one gets slashed on cheek; no sex scenes but some kissing and kissing on cheek, plus some homosexual cross-dressing where men of large city are in makeup and gaudy outfits; no nudity; drinking and drunkenness; no smoking or drugs, but bug stings girl and she hallucinates for two days; and, dysfunctional family implied as mother has left children and father is not alive, lying, mentor for children is an alcoholic, government plays propaganda, and a dictatorship but it’s implicitly rebuked though not strongly enough.

Movieguide’s David Outten and Tom Snyder go on to maintain that the movie and book trilogy will lead to school shootings. Warning that the movie “rejects” and “neglects America’s Christian heritage,” Outten and Snyder say the film will exacerbate America’s cultural degradation. The popularity of The Hunger Games, they write, could even make “a tyrannical leader like Nero or Hitler” become “a distinct possibility for the land of the free and the home of the brave”:

Are there really millions of Americans hungry to watch a movie where children fight each other to the death? Yes, it’s a movie. The actors who “die” in the movie actually get paid and live to make more movies. Even so, the spectacle is still all about children being forced to kill one another.

Is that what we want school children discussing over lunch? Children killing each other?

Few children who buy tickets to THE HUNGER GAMES will ever kill anyone, but it only takes a few. Horror stories of school killings, including a recent event in a Cleveland, Ohio school, often reveal similarities to movies the killers enjoyed.



What Americans need to realize is that the values that keep the rulers of the United States from doing things like forcing children to fight each other to the death are Christian values. The values that ended the death matches in Rome were Christian values. The values that ended slavery in England were Christian values. And, the values that should be crying out against such violence in movies like THE HUNGER GAMES are Christian values.



America has long been on the road to rejecting the Christian, biblical values that made republican virtues, hard work, capitalist progress, and liberty a beacon of light to a dying, hurting world.

Consequently, our culture, including the mass media that creates our culture, is filled with misguided leaders who want to completely change God’s definition of marriage, make pornography available to children or at least teenagers, keep every teenager constantly supplied with boxes of condoms, and steal money from the taxpayers to re-distribute that hard-earned money to freeloaders, loons, rich union goons, and radical activists.

THE HUNGER GAMES is supposed to be mere fantasy, but it seems like part of the problem. If one of the biggest movies of the year so far rejects or neglects America’s Christian heritage, then maybe a tyrannical leader like Nero or Hitler has indeed become a distinct possibility for the land of the free and the home of the brave.

FRC: 'May God Rush to Help and Overturn this Unconstitutional Law'

Next week, the Supreme Court will hear three days of arguments over the constitutionality of health care reform legislation and so the Family Research Council's Prayer Team has sent out a set of prayer targets, praying that it will be struck down by the Court and that "we [may] defeat this and every effort to transform America into a Godless, secular, post-Christian state, where the federal government requires taxpayers to fund abortion and other behaviors condemned by God": 

May God's people humble themselves and pray. May He hear and have mercy! May He give persuasive power to the lawyers who support our cause and wisdom and righteous judgment to our Justices. May they rule the individual mandate and the entire law unconstitutional! (2 Sam 23:3: 2 Chr 7:14; Pr 11:30; Is 10:1; 58:6; Jer 29:14a; 2 Cor 5:11; Jas 4:1; 1 Pet 2:10)

Pray that Christians will speak out on this everywhere, representing Christ in word, spirit and deed. May they be given wisdom to convince and win our nation! (Pr 4:7; Is 43:10-12; Mt 10:40; Jn 16:8; Acts 1:8; Tit 1:9; Jude 1:15)

May believers fast and pray. With God's help may we defeat this and every effort to transform America into a Godless, secular, post-Christian state, where the federal government requires taxpayers to fund abortion and other behaviors condemned by God - the opposite of everything our Founders intended and our fathers and sons gave their blood for (Ex 20:4-6; Ps 40:17; Is 54:17; Dan 11:32; Mt 17:21; Eph 6:12; 2 Tim 3:1-14).

May God rush to help and overturn this unconstitutional law (Ps 40:17; 119:126; Jer 1:11-12).

A Jury of One's (Corporate) Peers

This week saw a brief but telling exchange before the Supreme Court involving the constitutional status of corporations.
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Cameron: Secular Humanists are Imposing Their Faith on Everybody

Kirk Cameron was the guest on "WallBuilders Live" today in order to promote his new movie "Monumental" where he explained that the most important lesson he hopes that people take from the film is that faith is always involved in politics -  the question is simply whether we will be governed by the faith of atheists who believe we all evolved from slime or Christians under the revelation of the Bible:

You know what's interesting is that faith is always involved in politics, it's just not always a Christian faith. If you think about it, even those who are secular humanists, they are importing their secular humanist faith and religion and morality and imposing it on everybody else through the laws that they make. So the idea of faith in government is inescapable; it's always going to be somebody's faith, even if it's faith in atheism.

Even the most ardent atheist has faith that there is no God - and that's a blind faith; you have to ignore all of the evidence - but he nevertheless holds his position by faith and that faith informs his decisions. So don't let anyone ever tell you that faith doesn't belong in politics because you can't get away from it even if your faith is atheism.

It's just a question of which is the best faith to have. Do you put your faith in the idea that we all evolved from slime? Or do you put your faith in the revelation that we were created by God in his image and he loves us and has given us a life manual called the Bible?

Liberty Counsel Will Defend Scott Lively

Last week, a Ugandan gay rights group sued anti-gay activist Scott Lively in US court for allegedly violating international law over his role in Uganda's proposed "Kill The Gays" bill.

So naturally the good folks at Liberty Counsel have stepped up and agreed to defend Lively in this case: 

Liberty Counsel has agreed to represent Rev. Scott Lively, an evangelical pastor who was sued in a Massachusetts federal court by a foreign group called Sexual Minorities of Uganda (SMUG).

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The suit is a direct attempt to silence Rev. Lively because of his speech about homosexuality and pornography ... Mathew Staver, Founder and Chairman of Liberty Counsel, commented: “This lawsuit against Rev. Scott Lively is a gross attempt to use a vague international law to silence, and eventually criminalize, speech by U.S. citizens on homosexuality and moral issues. This suit should cause everyone to be concerned, because it a direct threat against freedom of speech.”

LaBarbera to MTV: Cancel New Show with Dan Savage

After complaining that gay rights advocates were trying to censor him, Peter LaBarbera of Americans For Truth About Homosexuality now wants MTV to cancel an upcoming show with Dan Savage, SavageU, because he is a “a radical and raunchy homosexual activist” who is enganged on an “evil crusade” against Rick Santorum:

"There are two main reasons why MTV and its parent company Viacom should cancel Dan Savage's new show about sex on college campuses.

"Number One: Dan Savage is a radical and raunchy homosexual activist who gives unhealthy and reckless sex advice. He aggressively works to undermine the historic ethic of marital fidelity by championing the twisted notion that married couples should allow outside sex -- like so many 'monogamish' homosexual male couples do. Incredibly, Savage argues that this would lower the divorce rate.

"Number Two: Savage is an unrepentant cyber-bully who has led a worldwide internet campaign to demonize and destroy Rick Santorum's name -- creating 'Santorum[dot]com' to 're-define' it as the revolting by-product of anal sex. He should NOT be rewarded for this evil crusade, nor held up as a role-model for young people."

Robison will not Allow the Sinful & Immoral to Force their "Rotten Lifestyle" on America

James Robison has already made it quite clear that he will not going to give those who oppose his agenda "the liberty and the license to continually assault the word of God, to assault marriage, to assault family, and to literally take your secular theocracy and cram it down our throats."

Today, he returned with a similar message, saying that his opponents "can live in whatever kind of sinful way you want to - you can live in immorality, you can live in rebellion, you can live in greed, you can live in envy - but don't force that rotten lifestyle on me and tell me that's going to be the American way."   Robison vowed to do everything he can to stand up and turn the nation back to God which, of course, starts with the next election when the nation will have to choose between right and wrong and between a belief system that is under God or in direct opposition to God:

Lou Engle's Group Uses Trayvon Martin Shooting to Attack Planned Parenthood

Lou Engle’s youth organization Bound4Life today is using the uproar over the Trayvon Martin shooting to attack Planned Parenthood for supposedly committing “black genocide” and to condemn “the hypocrisy of black America” for not rallying against reproductive rights. “Many in the black community are of the persuasion that abortion is merely a political issue of certain ‘rights,’” Corry Robinson writes, “My response is -it was Zimmerman’s ‘right’ to carry a gun and it was his ‘right’ to use ‘self defense’, right?” Robinson writes that if the police prosecute Travyon Martin’s killer, then the state should also go after Planned Parenthood “with accessory to 38 million racially motivated murders”:

Looking across the vast span of media coverage, it’s becoming increasingly evident that blacks are as passionate about ‘justice’ today as we were 50 years ago during the Civil Rights Era. Young adults are mobilizing and taking it to the streets by the hundreds to lift their voices on behalf of voiceless Trayvon Martin, one who had no way of defending himself.

This current situation raises many questions in my own heart for my fellow black Americans. Particularly, ‘Where are the unified protests of blacks against the holocaust of abortion in our nation?’ In the 54 million reported abortions in America since 1973, a staggering 38 million are innocent African American babies! In a wide sense, Trayvon’s tragedy is not much different than the tragedy of abortion in that he was helpless to defend himself. Many in the black community are of the persuasion that abortion is merely a political issue of certain “rights.” My response is -it was Zimmerman’s “right” to carry a gun and it was his “right” to use “self defense”, right? At what point do we differentiate our employment of rule of law between the two situations?

Some are saying, “Well…Trayvon’s murder was racially motivated!” This may very well have been the case…but so was the institution and practice of abortion in America-and history proves this without question. Others have said, “Zimmerman pursued Trayvon without a cause.” Such was, and still is, the case of the abortion industry. Abortionists and Eugenicists have actively pursued African Americans for almost a century. Please understand that the very fact of Planned Parenthood’s presence being primarily in black/minority communities (78% to be exact) is basic marketing strategy-Their target market is the African American/minority community! So again, where are the black voices on this issue? We cannot pick and choose when to ‘be righteous’ and when not to be! Either we are righteous people or we aren’t. In my opinion, there is enough evidence in Trayvon’s tragedy to bring charges. But in a greater measure there are heaps and stacks of evidence to charge Planned Parenthood and others in the abortion industry with accessory to 38 million racially motivated murders (just to be clear, I use the term “accessory” because of the cooperative response of participants to abortion. Abortion clinics never act alone).

Fischer: GLAAD's McCarthyite Blacklist Proves They are Nazis

Bryan Fischer was on vacation last week when GLAAD unveiled its Commentator Accountability Project, so he didn't get a chance to officially weigh in on the project or his inclusion among the commentators GLAAD is tracking until he returned to the studio yesterday.

And responding was among the first things he did, calling it McCarthyism and a black list and proof that the AFR Talk is the most feared and most dangerous radio network in America because it represented the greatest threat to the "gay agenda." 

Fischer eventually weighed in on some of the past statements he had made that got him included in the project in the first place, and defended them all, claiming that the project itself proves that he is right when he said that gay activists are exactly like Nazis:

“Gut and go” used to move up proof of citizenship in Kansas

A Kansas Senate committee put the brakes on efforts to move up proof of citizenship for voter registration – until a backdoor maneuver known as “gut and go” brought it back to life.
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ALEC: The Hidden Player Behind ‘Stand Your Ground’ Laws

The tragic death of Trayvon Martin – the 17 year old African American who was slain while walking down the sidewalk of a gated community – has shocked the nation, and has drawn international attention to the role of race relations in America.

The tragedy has also shed light on Florida’s "Stand Your Ground" law, which expands the legal justifications for "justifiable homicide" – and which is key to the "self-defense" claims of Trayvon’s alleged shooter, George Zimmerman. This "Stand Your Ground" law, signed into Florida statutes in 2005, became a model for legislation pushed by the corporate-backed American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), and with ALEC’s help has since been replicated in states across the country.

On April 26th, 2005, Florida became the first state in the nation to pass "Stand Your Ground" legislation, which expanded the circumstances under which the use of deadly force for self-defense is considered justifiable. Under the so-called "Castle Doctrine," a person’s right to defend themselves from attack in their own home has traditionally been recognized and typically in such circumstances the burden falls on the individual to prove that the use of force is reasonable. Under the expanded “Stand Your Ground” laws, the permissible use of deadly force for self-defense expands beyond the home, into spaces including personal vehicles and even public places, and the burden of showing that the use of force was unreasonable falls on the prosecution. It is such provisions which are apparently complicating the current investigations in the Martin shooting.

"Stand Your Ground" laws have been popping up around the country in recent years (24 states currently have them on the books) – and that’s no coincidence. Just as we have seen with the proliferation of Voter-ID laws, the force behind the trend is ALEC, the American Legislative Exchange Council, the corporate-funded front group that has helped advance the most extreme laws adopted by state legislatures, from SB 1070 in Arizona to SB 5 in Ohio.

Again and again, we’ve seen corporations use ALEC to push laws that put profits above the wellbeing of ordinary people. In the case of “Stand Your Ground” legislation, the weapons industry and ALEC have advocated for a law that encourages more people to carry weapons, thereby increasing industry profits.

The National Rifle Association (NRA) is a prominent member of ALEC, and has used its influence within the organization to push pro-gun policies across the country. In 2008, ALEC employee Michael Hough appeared on NRA News to talk about ALEC’s amicus brief in support of the NRA’s position in District of Columbia v. Heller. Hough described ALEC as a “very pro-Second Amendment organization,” and also stated, “Some of the things we were pushing in states was the Castle Doctrine [the name for ALEC’s model bill], we worked with the NRA with that, that’s one of our model bills that we have states introduce, and another one was the emergency powers legislation which was enacted in a couple states.”

Despite their grassroots image, the NRA is far from being simply a grassroots organization. An extensive report by the Violence Policy Center documents how gun companies bankroll the NRA through their many opportunities to sponsor NRA programs and make direct contributions to the organization:

Since 2005, corporations—gun related and other—have contributed between $19.8 million and $52.6 million to the NRA as detailed in its Ring of Freedom corporate giving program.1 In a promotional brochure for the program, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre promises that the “National Rifle Association’s newly expanded Corporate Partners Program is an opportunity for corporations to partner with the NRA....This program is geared toward your company’s corporate interests.” The vast majority of funds—74 percent—contributed to the NRA from “corporate partners” are members of the firearms industry: companies involved in the manufacture or sale of firearms or shooting-related products. Contributions to the NRA from the firearms industry since 2005 total between $14.7 million and $38.9 million.

That corporate funding helps to explain why the NRA has the means to donate, for example, $25,000 to ALEC in 2011 to achieve "Vice-Chairman" level sponsorship for ALEC’s annual conference. It also explains why NRA lobbying efforts are so important to their mission, since the laws they lobby for enrich the financial funders of the organization.

Unfortunately, until we change it, the ALEC model is working – for the corporations that fund the network. Florida’s "Stand Your Ground" legislation and ALEC’s model bill contain identical language, which has now been introduced in states across the country.

Those who aren’t served by this system are the American people. When politicians enact ALEC legislation that benefits corporations, real people suffer the consequences. The results are tragic:

 

(Source:  Data issued by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement)

 

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Hagee: In End Times, ‘God Will Require a Life for Every Child Killed in Every Abortion Clinic in America’

In a sermon uploaded yesterday, Cornerstone Church pastor John Hagee argues that the we are approaching the End Times, as evidenced by recent ecological disasters, including food shortages and the Gulf oil spill. During the End Times, Hagee said, God will take one American life “for every child killed in every abortion clinic in America”:

Read Revelation 9:15. It’s the sixth trumpet. There are four angels released by God himself to destroy one third of mankind in one day. The Bible says there is a year, a month, a day and an hour that God picked out from Genesis 1, that one third of mankind on that day, by the will and hand of God will be destroyed. You say, ‘I have a hard time believing that.’ May I refer you to Noah and the flood? Believe it.

In America, we have something over 300 million people. That means 100 million people in this country in 24 hours, gone. You’ve heard me say that I believe God will require a life for every child killed in every abortion clinic in America. I believe that’s where the tally is going to be set, right there.
 

Barber: 'Are We Comparing the Pro-Choice Movement to the Nazi Movement? Absolutely.'

A few weeks ago we noted that since Religious Right leaders keep comparing themselves to Dietrich Bonhoeffer, it only stood to reason that they see their opponents as akin to Nazis.

Liberty Counsel's Matt Barber, at least, has been very open about this.  Just a few weeks ago, he plainly stated that those who support marriage equality or a reproductive rights are "on the wrong side of history" and "advocating things that are equally as horrific" as what the Nazis did.

But just in case that wasn't clear enough, Barber followed it up today with a another Bonhoeffer/Nazi comparison where he explicitly stated that he is comparing those who support a woman's right to choose to the Nazis:

Let's be very clear here. What we're talking about here is, as we've long called it, an abortion holocaust. Are we comparing the pro-choice movement to the Nazi movement? Yes! Absolutely.

In recent weeks we talked about how the pro-life movement really embraces the mantle of Dietrich Bonhoeffer ...This is the modern-day anti-holocaust movement; the pro-life movement is.

And, you know, I was, a few months ago, in the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC and I was taken by how the arguments that the Nazis made in order to dehumanize the Jews are the same arguments that we hear coming from the so-called pro-choice movement to dehumanize the unborn child.

Barton: 'The Free Market Will Take Care of [the] Crooks'

Today's episode of "WallBuilders Live" was dedicated to defending free-market capitalism, as Rick Green and David Barton asserted that there should literally be no government regulation or oversight of any aspect of our economy whatsoever:

Barton: A free market means that it is a market that is free from government regulations. Now, people today don't think that. They say free market [but think] "well, the government does need to regulate to make sure there's no corruption." No, no, no.

Green: But even that phrase "to regulate" means to make regular. It means just keep it ...

Barton: ... standardize it ...

Green: ... yeah, keep there from being tariffs between states and that sort of thing. It doesn't mean micromanage your marketplace.

Barton: And it's amazing how many people who say "I believe in the free market" still want some sort of government oversight. "Well, you got all those crooks on Wall Street" ... hey, the free market will take care of it.

Green: That's exactly right.

Barton: The free market will take care of crooks and they'll be out of business and we also have laws that say, hey you can't steal. And if you steal, you're going to be in jail. Talk to [Bernie] Madoff about that, see how it worked out for him.

Green: It's the areas that we most put regulation in to that then become a problem ...

Barton: ... the most corrupt ...

Green: ... the areas we got to go bail out.

I guess it should be pointed out that Madoff pled guilty [PDF] to "securities fraud, investment adviser fraud, mail fraud, wire fraud, three counts of money laundering, false statements, perjury, false filings with the United States Securities and Exchange Commission, and theft from an employee benefit plan," violations of the very sorts of regulations that Barton and Green believe are totally  unnecessary.

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