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Gohmert: 'Christians Are The Only Group In America That It Is Politically Correct To Abuse And Misuse'

Rep. Louie Gohmert was a guest on the "Point Of View" radio program on Friday where he and host Penna Dexter discussed a recent column in the New York Times noting that Christian positions on issues such as slavery and gender roles have changed dramatically over the centuries and advocating that a similar ideological shift must take place on the issue of gay marriage.

The Texas congressman, of course, was not persuaded, declaring that the Scripture is clear that homosexuality is a sin and today, Christians who stand by the position are being "abused and misused."

America was founded by Christians who were seeking to escape persecution, Gohmert said, "and ended up with giving us the freest nation, until more recently, as people try to take our freedoms away."

"They came to avoid persecution for being Christians," he said. "Look where we are today. Now it is really Christians are the only group in America that it is politically correct to abuse and misuse":

David Barton Once Again Claims That The Bible Says There Will Never Be An AIDS Vaccine

Last month, we posted a clip of David Barton asserting that God will never allow scientists to find a vaccine for HIV/AIDS because such a vaccine would eliminate the divine "penalty" for homosexuality, which would contradict the teaching found in Romans 1.

As "evidence" of this position, the Religious Right psuedo-historian and GOP activist claimed that the virus that causes AIDS is constantly mutating, making it impossible to inoculate against. He pointed to news stories about various failures by researchers to successfully test an experimental vaccine as "proof" of his assertion.

As Warren Throckmorton reported at the time, the stories that Barton cited were utterly unrelated and did not prove his point at all:

In the video, Barton first showed the Popular Science headline and then said:

The headlines came out and said, for the first time ever an HIV vaccine shows success in trial. Oh my gosh, I guess there is, I guess I must have misinterpreted the Bible, cause the Bible’s true, and then six weeks later, they came out with this that says, NIH halts trial of HIV vaccine after it fails to work. The newspaper said it worked but none of the medical evidence said that it worked. So they still don’t have a cure.

The problem with Barton’s presentation is that the second headline didn’t come out “six weeks later.” Rather it came out four years later in 2013 and was about an entirely different attempt to create a vaccine.

The Yahoo News article Barton referred to (the second headline) is only available via Internet Archives and is dated April 26, 2013. The Yahoo article linked to the NIH announcement that the HVTN 505 clinical trial had been halted. The HVTN 505 trial results had nothing to do with the earlier success of RV 144. The RV 144 trial was reported in 2009, the same year that the HVTN 505 started. The NIH has more on the HVTN 505 trial on the NIH website.

Barton got the time frame wrong and made it appear that the two headlines were related to each other.

Barton's claim was entirely false but he continues to repeat it nonetheless, as Throckmorton discovered when Barton spoke at Faith Baptist Church in Knightdale, North Carolina this weekend:

Rick Joyner: God Is Using Radical Islam To Punish The World For 'Perversion And Abortion'

On today's "Prophetic Perspective on Current Events" program, Rick Joyner declared that God is using radical Islam to punish the world for accepting "perversion and abortion."

"What is happening with radical Islam rising in the earth is judgment from God against perversion and abortion," Joyner said. "I believe God is using it just the way He used the heathen nations around Israel; whenever Israel fell into apostasy, He would use the heathen nations around Israel to discipline them ... I believe this challenge of Islam all over the world, God is allowing it — it's not His spirit, it's contrary to His spirit — but He is allowing it to bring judgment on both perversion and abortion":

The Courts Have to Matter to LGBTQ Americans

The following is a guest post by Erik Lampmann, a 2011 Young People For (YP4) Fellow. It is cross-posted on the Alliance for Justice blog and the YP4 blog.

Federal courts routinely hand down judgments that affect everyday Americans at an immediate, painful, and personal level – for good or ill.

Consider the case of Seamus Johnston, a transgender student expelled by the University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown (UPJ) for his use of male restrooms and gym facilities on campus. When he sought redress for his experiences at the hands of UPJ, U.S. District Judge Kim Gibson, a George W. Bush appointee, ruled he had no room to claim discrimination since he was being treated in accordance with his sex as assigned at birth and had not had sex reassignment surgery.

In some ways, Johnson was warranted in thinking he was free to live openly as a transgender man since UPJ offers gender identity and expression protections under its student nondiscrimination statement. Indeed, Johnson had lived openly and without significant difficulty as a man since 2009 — even having taken advantage of men-only exercise courses. Only in 2011 was Johnson first confronted for using a men’s locker room. After issuing Johnson citations, barring him from certain facilities, and eventually arresting him, the university expelled him for his attempt to use the bathroom in which he felt most at peace and which he believed he was permitted to use by university policy. In his appeal for justice, Johnson didn’t ask for much — simply that a university that purports to protect students based on “gender identity and expression” allow him a modicum of relief as a transgender person rather than criminalizing his attempts to live authentically.

Essentially, Judge Gibson acknowledged Johnson’s self-identification as a transgender man, but she didn’t think it really mattered in the context of the Equal Protection Clause or Title IX.  Flatly ignoring guidance from the Department of Education encouraging institutions of higher education to recognize transgender and gender non-conforming students’ right to protections under Title IX, Judge Gibson left Johnston, and other transgender students, without protection from sex discrimination. She wrote:

While Plaintiff might identify his gender as male, his birth sex is female … It is this fact … that is fatal to Plaintiff’s sex discrimination claim. Regardless of how gender and gender identity are defined, the law recognizes certain distinctions between male and female on the basis of birth sex. Thus, even though Plaintiff is a transgender male, his sex is female.

In sum, this decision reflects a sobering reality for LGBTQ people, particularly transgender and gender non-conforming individuals: The government — more specifically, a judge — holds the power to determine if the law protects how you define yourself.

This example dramatizes just one way that our courts fail to live up to the promise of the motto “equal justice under law” by protecting the vulnerable among us from exclusion and discrimination. I’ll admit that several years ago the result in this case might have led me to give up on the courts as an avenue for change.

Recent decisions from the Supreme Court and other federal courts have prompted some progressives to view the courts as a once-relevant institution home only to disconnected jurists. When we as progressives write off the courts and treat them as spaces where our communities were never meant to triumph, we concede the power to speak from our lived experience as those affected by the law and to shift the balance of power within the judiciary.

In reality, the legal knowledge of our communities paired with our deeply personal understanding of how the courts’ decisions impact real people gives us a tremendous power to affect the composition of the courts and to create legal precedents that respect rather than ignore our communities’ needs.

Seamus Johnston’s experiences with the justice system are then instructive for progressives building long-term judicial strategies. His loss in the Western District of Pennsylvania is but one battle in a much longer struggle for social justice.

The courts have to matter for LGBTQ Americans and so many others who find themselves on the losing end of cases like Johnston’s. They have to matter because we cannot afford to write off institutions, elected officials, or organizations as permanent friends or enemies. Rather, if we truly believe another world is possible, we have to build it brick by brick, precedent by precedent, judge by judge.

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Fischer: Noah's Flood Was The Result Of Society Not Using The Death Penalty

On his radio program yesterday, Bryan Fischer made the case that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev should be put to death following his conviction for his role in the Boston Marathon bombing in the most Fischer-esque way possible: explaining that Noah's Flood was the result of society not using the death penalty.

As Fischer explained it, "God had prohibited the death penalty prior to the Flood" and it resulted in so much chaos and bloodshed that God was left with no choice but to kill almost all of mankind.

"When people say we ought to just get rid of the death penalty, we just ought to get rid of capital punishment and society would be so much better off," he said, "well, we tried that; we tried that from the creation to Adam until the Flood ... And what happened? It was chaos. It was vigilante justice. And people began killing other people simply because they got insulted or because they got injured or because they got wounded. So there was no sense of proportionality, justice was a matter of each man talking the law into his own hands. It was total chaos and the result was the entire world had become so corrupt that God had to wipe the whole thing out and start over":

Fischer: President Obama Animated By The Same 'Spirit And Energy' As The Antichrist

Bryan Fischer was predictably outraged by the announcement that President Obama will oppose the use of ex-gay "conversion" therapy on young people, declaring on his radio program today that by doing so, Obama is "guilty of child abuse" and animated by the spirit of the Antichrist.

"There is something profoundly and fundamentally anti-Christ about President Obama," Fischer said, while making it clear that he was not saying that Obama is actual the Antichrist. "What I am saying is that the same energy, the same spirit that will one day animate the Antichrist is the spirit and the energy that is at work today in President Obama":

Glenn Beck In Fantasy Land: President Rand Paul Would Nominate Andrew Napolitano To The Supreme Court

For the last several months, Glenn Beck's network has been regularly running a presidential poll in which Beck's audience ranks various possible GOP presidential candidates, giving them each a grade ranging from A to F.

Today, Beck and his co-hosts spent the first hour of their radio program going over the results of this month's poll, which found — surprise, surprise — that their audience tends to like the same candidates that they like and dislike the same candidates that they dislike, so that Jeb Bush got an "F" while Ted Cruz got an "A" and everyone else fell somewhere in between.

Since the poll already features a host of people who most likely are not going to actually run for president, Beck suggested today that they should add Judge Andrew Napolitano to the list for next month just because there is a "Draft Napolitano" effort underway online and Beck thinks it would be interesting to see what sort of support the judge could garner from Beck's audience.

The idea then prompted Beck to begin to fantasize that if Rand Paul becomes president, he would probably nominate Napolitano to a seat on the Supreme Court.

"Can you imagine if Rand Paul got in?" he said. "Judge Napolitano would probably be a candidate for Supreme Court. Can you imagine that? That would be great!"

New Report Examines Supreme Court’s “Citizens United Era”

People For the American Way Foundation's latest report explores the extreme pro-corporate jurisprudence of the Supreme Court in recent years, identifying parallels to the Court’s infamous Lochner era a century ago.

The Supreme Court in the Citizens United Era” by PFAW Foundation Senior Fellow Jamie Raskin explores how the Roberts Court’s right-wing majority has established a precedent for privileging corporations over individuals, allowing corporations to enjoy the rights of the people while reducing the rights that people have against corporations.

Raskin writes:

“Corporations increasingly enjoy all the rights of the people, but the people increasingly have no rights against corporations. Indeed, as we shall see, the conservative majority on the Roberts Court not only interprets federal law in dubious ways to defeat corporate liability but often works its special wonders to preempt state laws that would hold corporations accountable for civil injuries they cause against patients and consumers.”

The report covers cases ranging from Hobby Lobby, which granted corporations religious rights to opt-out of requirements on women’s health, to Sorrell v. IMS Health, which struck down Vermont’s prescription confidentiality law, to Janus Capital Group, Inc. v. First Derivative Traders, which allowed interlocking corporations to hide assets from individuals defrauded by investment advisors.

You can find the full text of the report here. 

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New Report Examines Supreme Court’s “Citizens United Era”

A new report released today by People For the American Way Foundation explores the extreme pro-corporate jurisprudence of the Supreme Court in recent years, identifying parallels to the Court’s infamous Lochner era a century ago. “The Supreme Court in the Citizens United Era” by PFAW Foundation Senior Fellow Jamie Raskin explores how the Roberts Court’s right-wing majority has established a precedent for privileging corporations over individuals, allowing corporations to enjoy the rights of the people while reducing the rights that people have against corporations.

“The Supreme Court’s decision in Citizens United was a disastrous turning point for our democracy,” said People For the American Way Foundation Executive Vice President Marge Baker. “But it also signifies a broader shift in the way the Supreme Court interprets our laws. Most dangerously, the Supreme Court has transformed the First Amendment from a critical protection against government censorship and oppression into a Get Out of Jail Free card for corporations looking to protect their bottom line.”

As Raskin writes in the report:

“Corporations increasingly enjoy all the rights of the people, but the people increasingly have no rights against corporations. Indeed, as we shall see, the conservative majority on the Roberts Court not only interprets federal law in dubious ways to defeat corporate liability but often works its special wonders to preempt state laws that would hold corporations accountable for civil injuries they cause against patients and consumers.”

The report covers cases ranging from Hobby Lobby, which granted corporations religious rights to opt-out of requirements on women’s health, to Sorrell v. IMS Health, which struck down Vermont’s prescription confidentiality law, to Janus Capital Group, Inc. v. First Derivative Traders, which allowed interlocking corporations to hide assets from individuals defrauded by investment advisors.

Jamie Raskin, who serves as a constitutional law professor at American University Washington College of Law and a Maryland State Senator, in addition to his role as PFAW Foundation Senior Fellow, is available to discuss the report and the Supreme Court’s recent decisions. Please contact media@pfaw.org to schedule an interview.

You can find the full text of the report at: http://www.pfaw.org/media-center/publications/supreme-court-citizens-united-era-century-after-lochner-era-roberts-court-

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Barber & Staver: Cal State Is Persecuting Christians Like Nazis Did The Jews

Last month, California State University announced that it would no longer recognize a campus Christian organization because the group would not abide by the university's non-discrimination policy, and naturally Matt Barber and Mat Staver responded by likening the university's decision it to Nazi persecution of the Jews.

On Liberty Counsel's "Faith and Freedom" radio program today, Barber declared that this is just another example of "soft persecution" of Christians in America that, it left unchecked, will lead to Christians being imprisoned as they are in China or tortured and beheaded, as they are by ISIS.

"Soft persecution," Barber said, "can ultimately lead to hard persecution and if things don't change here in the U.S., that's the path we're heading down."

Not to be outdone, Staver readily agreed as he proceeded to liken the situation to Nazi Germany.

"Even though this kind of persecution or discrimination is not on the same level as what we see in some of these places around the world," he said, "it is a precursor to that same kind of thing. Once they say that you're a Christian and because of that, you're not going to have the same rights, we're going to stigmatize you; this is what happened with the Jews. It didn't start off with the gas chambers. It started off with taking away their right to work. It started off with putting the Star of David on these individuals and stigmatizing them and precluding them from other rights and liberties that every other person would have who is not a Jew. So this is something that we need to stand up against":

David Barton Recounts His Days Serving As Translator For Russian National Gymnastic Team And Smuggling Bibles Into Soviet Union

A few months ago, we posted a video of David Barton claiming that he had been part of Oral Roberts University's record-setting men's college basketball team back in the early 1970s, a claim for which we and others have been unable to find any proof.  At the same time, we have also been unable to definitively disprove it, so we really have no way of knowing whether or not any of it is true.

Today, Barton made another extraordinary claim on his "WallBuilders Live" radio program, which we once again can neither verify nor disprove, but that we find genuinely astonishing.  Barton told listeners that he was fluent in Russian when he was younger and even served as an interpreter when the Russian national gymnastics team visited the United States in 1976. On top of that, Barton also claimed that he was actively involved in smuggling Bibles into the former Soviet Union.

Following an interview with a missionary who discussed efforts to introduce the Bible to eastern European countries, Barton chimed in that he too used to be involved in smuggling Bibles into the former Soviet Union.

"That's really where I got started with the Soviet bloc back when the Iron Curtain was up," Barton said. "I was fluent in Russian and when the Russian gymnastic team came to America in 1976, I got to be translator for them and do translating, and just the accounts of what happened when we went to the store was a blast."

This revelation obviously came as an utter surprise to Barton's co-host, Rick Green, who was shocked to discover that Barton speaks Russian ... or rather did speak Russian, as Barton said that "I don't now but I was, at one time, fluent in Russian and again translated for the Russian gymnastic team when they came to America."

"At the same time, we were working our tails off to smuggle Bibles into the Soviet Union and had several trips that went there smuggling Bibles in," he continued.

Green was completely flabbergasted by the revelations, as Barton recounted "all that smuggling time and how dangerous it was, you know, the Soviet bloc and the guards at the borders and all the stuff that went on there. It was pretty amazing":

Glenn Beck Is Concerned That 'Something Is Not Right With Scott Walker' Because He Can't Get An Interview

Glenn Beck dedicated the opening monologue on his television program last night to hailing Sen. Rand Paul's announcement that he is running for president, declaring it to be "a really good day" for America when candidates like Paul and Sen. Ted Cruz throw their hats into the ring.

Beck, however, isn't quite sure about Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, saying that for two months, he has been trying to get an interview with Walker and so far, Walker has refused.

And that can only mean that there is something very, very wrong with Walker or his campaign.

"Something is not right with Scott Walker," Beck said. "Either he is avoiding me, he's avoiding this audience because he doesn't want to be seen with you, or his staff is out-of-control incompetent. We've been trying to get an interview with him for almost two months; for some reason, we can't get a single interview with him. That is highly unusual for somebody who is offering 15 minutes or an hour of time for a media empire that has a footprint of 50 million people. Something's not right with Scott Walker":

Barber & Staver: Baptist College President Must Be Fired For Allowing Lesbian Pastor To Speak On Campus

It seems that whenever a Christian receives any sort of criticism for speaking out against marriage equality, the entire Religious Right immediately begins to complain that said person's right to free speech is being violated and screaming about how they are facing persecution at the hands of modern-day fascists.

So it is interesting to watch anti-gay activists freak out over the fact that a lesbian pastor has been invited to speak at American Baptist College in Tennessee, as demonstrated by the fact that Liberty Counsel's Mat Staver and Matt Barber are demanding that the college president be fired for allowing it to happen.

Recently, ABC president Forrest Harris responded to the controversy by defending the speech and saying that "it's sad that people use religion and idolatry of the Bible to demoralize same-gender-loving people" and that "we can't be guided and dictated by a first-century world view." In return, Barber and Staver responded by using their radio program today to call for Harris to be fired.

"Hasn't [Harris] disqualified himself for this particular leadership position," Barber asked, "when he's calling God a liar and completely attempting to discredit the truths of Scripture, saying that Scripture isn't even true? How can he even be in this position of authority and be trusted to carry out the duties of a Christian president of a university."

"I don't think he can," Staver responded. "I think he ought to be removed. I think the alumni and supporters of the association ought to remove him ... For a president of a college like that that has a Christian tradition, that person has no right leading that college. They ought to remove him":

Fischer: Every Elected Official Is A 'Minister Of God' Put There 'To Do God's Work'

Shortly before the 2012 presidential election, Bryan Fischer declared on his radio program that if President Obama was re-elected, "America has no future" because Obama's victory would hasten God's judgment upon this nation.

Contrary to Fischer's dire warning, it seems that America will somehow miraculously survive Obama's second term, so now Fischer is warning that if America does not elect a "fearless Christian" leader as president next time, "we will be finished as a nation."

"If we repeat the mistake we made the last two times," Fischer said on his radio program today, "if we do not have a man with Solomon's faith, discernment, and wisdom in the Oval Office in 18 months, I think we will be finished as a nation ... If we want to save this country, we simply may have no alternative but to elect a man with the godly faith and wisdom of a Solomon in 2016."

Fischer went on to declare that since government was created by God, all elected officials are "every bit as much a servant of God or a minister of God as your pastor is when he stands behind the pulpit on Sunday and they are there to do God's work":

Tom DeLay: Christians Must Fight For The Right To Discriminate 'With Every Ounce Of Our Being'

Tom DeLay appeared on Steve Malzberg's Newsmax program yesterday to defend Indiana's "religious freedom" law against the attacks from people who "have chosen to be homosexuals," saying that conservative Christians must be ready to "fight this battle to the bitter end."

"This is the result of the gay agenda," DeLay said. "We're now seeing what the gay agenda is all about ... What they're trying to do is to undermine religious liberty so that they become an accepted sexual orientation. That's what's going on here and we have got to fight this battle to the bitter end because once you let the government dictate to you what you believe and what your values are, then this country's finished."

"This isn't about discrimination," he continued. "We love people that have chosen to be homosexuals. The problem is we abhor the sin."

DeLay went on to say that if he owned a business, he'd have no problem serving a gay customer, provided that he didn't know about their sexual orientation.

"But if he comes in and asks me to undermine my values," he said, "undermine my religious liberty, then I have the right to stand up for what I believe in and not serve him. It's not discrimination; it's the government telling us how we are to act, what we are to believe, and that has got to be fought with every ounce of our being":

Fischer: Gay Activists Worship A Vengeful, Vitriolic, Hateful God

As we have said time and time and time again, Bryan Fischer is a lot of things, but self-aware is not one of them; a trait that he demonstrated once again on his radio show yesterday when he declared that the god worshiped by gay rights activists is vengeful, vitriolic, and hateful.

Outraged by the criticism and threats directed against an Indiana pizza parlor that said it would refuse to cater a gay wedding, Fischer declared that since people "become like the god that you worship," then the god that is worshiped by gay activists must be absolutely awful.

"Think about what you see in the homosexual community," he said, "and what it tells you about the god that they must worship. Whether they recognize it or not, whether they know it or not, but the god that they worship is vengeful, he is vitriolic, he is venomous, he is hateful, he drives his followers to trap a good-hearted American family in their home, like Anne Frank, in fear of their lives simply for what they believe."

"So if you turn out to be like the god that you worship," he asked, "what kind of god must homosexual activists serve?"

Fischer: AIDS Patients Should Sue Gay Rights Groups For Not Warning About The Health Risks Of Homosexuality

On his radio program today, Bryan Fischer took a call from a doctor in Tyler, Texas, who suggested that AIDS victims ought to sue gay rights groups for not warning them about the health risks associated with homosexuality.

The caller said that, as a doctor, he is constantly warning his patients that there are health consequences for people who engage in behaviors such as drinking or smoking, just as "there are consequences for homosexual behavior."

Saying that criticism of Indiana's "religious freedom" law is no different than a group of smokers threatening to kill him and burn down his doctor's office for warning about the dangers of smoking, the caller predicted that "one of these days, some smart group of lawyers is going to get a couple of guys with AIDS and they're going to sue the people that are promulgating the lie that a behavior, a choice, is good because all it does is it increases their risk to disease, illness, and suffering."

Fischer, not surprisingly, was in complete agreement, saying that just as any doctor who told his patients that there was nothing wrong with drinking or smoking would be sued for medical malpractice, so too should gay rights groups be sued by "some homosexual who is dying of HIV/AIDS ... for shortening his life with bad medical advice":

John Hagee Winds Up Debunking His Own 'Blood Moons' Theory

On Saturday evening, right-wing televangelist John Hagee hosted a special program designed to promote his "Four Blood Moons" theory which contends that the occurrence of four lunar eclipses on Jewish feast days over the last two years is a sign from God that "something dramatic [will] happen in the Middle East involving Israel that will change the course of history in the Middle East and impact the whole world."

Moderated by conservative radio host Joe Pagliarulo, the program featured Hagee, pseudo-historian David Barton, Rabbi Aryeh Scheinberg, and astronomer Hugh Ross, a creationist who runs a ministry called Reasons to Believe which seeks to "spread the Christian Gospel by demonstrating that sound reason and scientific research" support Creationist beliefs.

Ross' participation in the event was something of a mystery since, from his opening remarks, he made it very clear that he did not subscribe to Hagee's premise in the slightest, saying that there is no statistical significance to these blood moons because they are very common and that Hagee is merely retroactively attaching spiritual significance to these routine events.

Hagee, of course, did not particularly appreciate the fact that Ross was completely undermining the entire premise of the show, as well as his book and movie based upon this premise, and so he challenged him to explain how it was possible for blood moons to occur on significant Jewish holiday in two consecutive years.

Ross responded that lunar eclipses are so common that it is "mathematically inevitable" that one would be able to link them up to significant events in the Bible or in the history of Israel if that is what one set out to do. The Bible, Ross said, does say that there will be signs from God, but they will be rare things like an asteroid hitting a body of water and turning the water to poison, not common things like a lunar eclipse.

"My problem with the blood moons is that it's not rare," Ross said. "It's hindsight. You're looking at different events in Israel's history and looking at different events in America's history and you're finding fits."

"These blood moons are visible here but not in Israel," Ross stated at one point, much to Hagee's surprise. Explaining that "a total lunar eclipse basically is visible to about one-third to one-half the earth," Ross asked why, if these blood moons are so significant to Israel, they are visible in America but not in Israel.

Hagee clearly was not aware of this fact, as all he could come up with as a response was that "I don't have an answer for why Israel can't see it":

Anti-Gay Pundits Equate Homosexuality With Eating Feces And Children, Drinking Poison

Anti-gay activist Peter LaBarbera appeared on recent episode of "America's Survival," where he and co-host Jerry Kenney made their case against homosexuality by likening it to rape, eating feces, eating children, murder, incest, and drinking poison.

After Kenney boldly declared that "I don't believe in gay people" on the grounds that nobody can prove to him "scientifically" that there is any genetic cause of homosexuality, he asserted that claiming that gay people are just "born that way" is like saying that a rapist ought to be free to rape because he was "just born a rapist."

Kenney then went on to say that there is nothing "natural" about homosexuality because whenever it occurs in nature "it doesn't occur for very long." This led him to assert that homosexuality can't be genetic because, if it was, "it [would] have died with the very first person that had the gene mutation."

Even if one does accept the claim that homosexuality is natural, Kenney continued, that still doesn't justify it because "there are a lot of things that are natural that aren't necessarily good."

"In nature, animals rape one another," he said. "So should rape be okay? Some animals eat their own waste, is that okay? Animals eat their young. Is our new standard now, in this society that we've brought down and as long as we're at the animal level then it's okay?"

"Wouldn't murder be natural?" asked LaBarbera. "Wouldn't incest be natural?"

"Poison is natural," responded Kenney. "Let's all drink a cup of poison":

Matt Barber: Gay Marriage Is Satanic

On today's "Faith and Freedom" radio program, as Mat Staver and Matt Barber discussed Liberty Counsel's effort to defend Puerto Rico's ban on gay marriage, Barber once again shared his view that the push for marriage equality is literally satanic.

"From the spiritual level," Barber asked, "who is the Lawless One? Who is the Great Deceiver referred to in Scripture? The Lawless One is the Father of Lies himself and so this kind lawlessness, we know who is behind it. We know who is behind this push to redefine marriage, from a spiritual standpoint. If God designed human sexuality and designed them male and female, we know who is attacking God's design for human sexuality, God's design for the differences between the sexes and coming together in the institution of marriage as one as one flesh. And it also is a representation of the church, of Christ's relationship with the church, the bride of Christ. And so that is something that Satan hates, it is something that he wants to attack and undermine, so from a spiritual standpoint, isn't it what this all kind of derives from?"

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