Anti-gay crusader and Massachusetts gubernatorial candidate Scott Lively was a guest on the The Alan Colmes Show yesterday, where he attempted to explain why “homosexuality is a behavioral disorder on par with alcoholism or eating disorders.”
Lively told Colmes that “homosexual conduct is inherently wrong and dangerous and harmful” because “it’s using parts of the body in ways they’re not supposed to be used.”
When Colmes asked him “who says” that LGBT people use their bodies “in ways they’re not supposed to,” Lively replied, “Well, science says, for one thing.”
When Colmes asked him for scientific evidence of this, Lively of course couldn’t name any, but said that scientific studies aren’t even necessary because his point is “self-evident” and “the best arguments are arguments from simple logic, and when you get off into scientific studies then you’re off in the weeds.”
Lively: I believe that homosexuality is a behavioral disorder on par with alcoholism or eating disorders, things that people suffer with. It isn’t just a moral weakness. It’s something that people suffer with.
Colmes: How do you account for the fact that there are many gays who are happily gay, they’re not suffering because of it, they’re happily living their lives, some of them with partners. Alcoholism causes definite problems, physical problems.
Lively: Hey, there’s a lot of happy alcoholics.
Colmes: Well, but I don’t know how you compare a decision that somebody makes – I’m not calling being gay a decision, but a decision to be married to someone of the same gender, a decision to have sex with someone of the same gender – how do you call that analogous to alcoholism, when someone could be very not negatively affected by the results of those actions?
Lively: Well, I disagree that they can be ‘not negatively affected.’ I think homosexual conduct is inherently wrong and dangerous and harmful.
Colmes: Why? Why?
Lively: Why? Because it’s engaging in, it’s using parts of the body in ways they’re not supposed to be used.
Colmes: Says who?
Lively: Frankly, my model that I follow and that I advocate is that all sex belongs inside of authentic marriage, between a man and a woman.
Colmes: Who says that the human body should not be done in a way, or used in a way that gays use the human body, who says that?
Lively: Well, science says, for one thing.
Colmes: What scientists are coming out and saying that gays shouldn’t do that?
Lively: Well, not very many these days, because if anyone dares to go against the gays, they get bashed.
Colmes: But where in science has there ever been some scientific theory analogous to global warming, for example, that gays should not do things with their body.
Lively: Alan, it’s self-evident. It’s self-evident that anal…
Colmes: Wait a minute, you’re saying science, you didn’t say it was self-evident. Where’s the science in this?
Lively: Well, if you want to go down that path, I suppose we can go dig up studies and all that, but we don’t need to do that because it’s self-evident
Colmes: Because you can’t back up what you said if you don’t do that.
Lively: I believe that the best arguments are the arguments from simple logic, and when you get off into scientific studies, then you’re off in the weeds.
Colmes: But you’re the one who brought up science, Dr. Lively, you’re the one who brought that up.