On his radio broadcast today, Bryan Fischer renewed his call for a ban on immigration from majority Muslim nations, claiming that our immigration policy should simply consist of the question "do you believe that the Quran is the holy book of God"?
On Monday, the American Family Association’s Sandy Rios hosted Linda Harvey of Mission America to criticize the Day of Silence, the anti-bullying event which Harvey has previously described as dangerous and blasphemous.
Rios, who once said that test scores are dropping as a result of schools “teaching” homosexuality, kicked off the program by arguing that public schools no longer instruct students in subjects like “reading, writing, cursive, spelling, grammar [and] punctuation,” but are instead completely dedicated to “cramming, twisting, perverting all academic subjects to the way of supporting homosexuality.”
Rios: That’s an advertisement for this Friday’s Day of Silence in American public schools. You know there was a day when American public schools actually taught reading, writing, cursive, spelling, grammar, punctuation, English literature, British literature, American civilization, but no more. For the last twenty-five years the National Education Association has been cramming, twisting, perverting all academic subjects to the way of supporting homosexuality. Now in an activist move to really further intimidate anyone who would object to it they incorporated a few years ago what’s called the Day of Silence.
The two also latched onto conspiracy theories that common core standards will lead to the “promotion of homosexuality” and criticized schools and publishing houses for offering “pro-homosexual novels.”
Rios: Common Core, do you know anything about what they’re doing to promote homosexuality? Do they have any stated goals with this?
Harvey: I don’t know the details, I do know that everyone believes that will be part of it as they get into the more social science areas, I think they are just in English language arts and math at this point, isn’t that the case? Even English language arts, oh my goodness, the choices for reading pro-homosexuals novels out there are vast; the publishing industry is going crazy. I have found many, many school districts recommend these on a selected and chosen school reading list and so you really have to watch for that.
Rios: If no other way, and it isn’t the only way, I guarantee you if you got kids in the public school this isn’t the only way but the reading lists, the suggested reading lists are enough to make your ears just smoke.
Harvey said that conservatives should “be rolling our eyes” at claims that LGBT youth face bullying and claimed that parents should not allow their children to “witness” the Day of Silence.
Harvey: Students pledge to be silent all day because they feel that as gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered [sic] students or allies, that’s other kids, that they have been silenced over the years; many of us will be rolling our eyes at that one with the loud homosexual militancy in our culture right now. But that’s what they’re claiming and they’re saying that the issue of bullying is so rampant and it is traditional values that is causing all of these kids to be bullied, it’s causing hatred and that they need to engage in a silent protest against that. And of course we’re all going: what? You can prevent bullying and stand against bulling without endorsing homosexuality but our kids are being manipulated into thinking that this is a social justice issue and that they can just make this into a protest day and it’s this Friday in many schools, April 19.
Harvey: What we are saying is find out about your school’s position on this, call your schools and say, ‘are you going to allow students to be silent to recognize this Day of Silence, this pro-homosexual day, Friday April 19 or any other day that they designation…are you going to allow to remain silent to protest the Day of Silence,’ and if so keep your kids home. We suggest that you not let your children have to sit there in class and witness teachers condoning this, other students being allowed to be silent in class. This is political propaganda and it’s manipulating an issue of kids. Everybody is concerned about bullying and it is manipulating kids’ compassion but it is all for supporting homosexuality. So we’re suggesting to people, if that’s the situation, keep your kids at home.
Rios: How do you think this issue has progressed in public schools? I wouldn’t of thought it could get much worse but what are we seeing now about the propaganda in our public schools?
Not only should parents pull their kids out of school on the Day of Silence, but according to Harvey, they should remove their children from the public school system altogether as the influence of gay “propaganda” in schools is now “beyond belief.”
Rios: How do you think this issue has progressed in public schools, I wouldn’t of thought it could get much worse, but what are we seeing now about the propaganda in our public schools?
Harvey: It’s beyond belief. I am very discouraged and I would urge any parent out there…if you are a parent and you have any ability at all to move your children to another schooling situation, Christian schooling, homeschooling, please to do so. You do not know all your children are being exposed to, this propaganda is throughout. Our kids are being told in so many ways, if it’s not direct instructional time it’s through their peers at school, that homosexuality is like race, it’s a social justice issue, which we know is not true, people do not have to be involved in homosexual behavior. This undermines the word of God, at the very bottom line your Christian kids; everything around them is undermining the clear instructions of the word of God.
Rios: Even if your kids are in so-called safe areas: conservative districts, conservative areas of the country; in their textbooks, the influence of their teachers who are part of the National Education Association, it’s really a very dangerous situation, I’m with you on that. There was a time when I used to think it was pretty outrageous to insist that Christian parents remove their kids from public schools, that seemed very extreme to me, but I have come a long way, I really am at this point where I would be frightened really to have my kids in public school.
Sandy Rios on her radio show today was joined by her boss, American Family Association president Tim Wildmon, to discuss the bombing at the Boston marathon, and said the attack “reminds” her of when the Roman emperor Nero “burned Rome” and then “blamed Christians.”
“It’s that psychological process of blaming people that you hate so that they will take the blame for something and it solves two problems for you,” Rios claimed. “So this is nothing new.”
Rios accused the Obama administration of trying to stop security officials from referencing Islam while supposedly identifying conservatives, like gun owners and AFA radio listeners, as “enemies on equal footing with Islamists.”
She said that this alleged policy makes America “less safe” while Wildmon criticized the media for saying that the bombing could have been an “anti-government” attack when he thinks it was almost certainly an act of “Islamic jihadism.”
Wildmon: These Islamic jihadists, the extremists, they are here among us now and we’re going to have to be vigilant, we’re going to have to keep our eyes open. I don’t know, you’re not going to prevent everything; something’s are going to happen like what happened in Boston yesterday. Again, we’re saying this not knowing for certain that this is what happened that is that it was an act of an Al Qaeda type group or jihad, but that’s what I’m thinking it is, that’s my default position because of all the attacks that have taken place around the world by these groups.
Rios: There’s a good reason why these terrorist strikes have been thwarted because our guys have been working 24/7, our security forces, our FBI, all of these really good guys who are really disconnected from what’s happening at the top but things are changing. The military training manuals, the FBI manuals, all of the people fighting Islam within and without, the manuals have been scrubbed, they don’t dare speak of Islam, they don’t dare speak of jihad. I have to tell you, that’s going to have a correlation to our safety, it can’t help. If we’re now saying, ‘oh it’s probably people who listen to AFA who are right-wing in their politics, they want to keep their guns, they are probably—’ if we broaden the scope that those are the enemies on equal footing with Islamists we are going to be less safe because our resources are going to be spread thin.
Wildmon: You have like twenty acts of terrorism that are related to Islamic jihadism and then you have one Timothy McVeigh anti-government, and the media acts like, ‘oh we don’t know there are a lot of both out there.’
Rios: Chris Matthews weighed in on this last night too, sort of hinting the same thing. This reminds me Tim, do you remember when Nero was the Emperor of Rome? Remember that he burned Rome and what did he do? He blamed the Christians. So I’m just saying it’s transference, it’s that psychological process of blaming people that you hate so that they will take the blame for something and it solves two problems for you. So this is nothing new.
On Friday's radio broadcast, Bryan Fischer was discussing the importance of praying for elected leaders, especially President Obama since "virtually every single one of his policies is out of alignment with the will and the word of God."
The discussion prompted Fischer to make a bizarre point involving Adolf Hitler in which he asserted that the fall of the Nazi regime and the suicide of Hitler himself "happened in response to the prayers of God's people."
As Fischer explained it, God was trying to do everything in his power to reach Hitler while also respecting his free will "just like God is doing with Barack Obama," citing Ben Carson's speech at the National Prayer Breakfast as proof.
But, Fischer said, it is not doing any good as God has been "giving Barack Obama opportunity after opportunity to hear and respond to the truth and, trust me, the day could come when God says 'I have given him enough chances ... it's time to bring about some kind of a change'" before quickly adding that the change might be nothing more than a new president in 2016:
Yesterday, Janet Meffered responded to reports that a Michigan high school had canceled a speech by Rick Santorum by declaring that soon "Christian who supports real marriage might be made to wear a yellow patch on the sleeve, a ‘badge of shame’ to identify us as ‘anti-gay haters.’ Kind of like the Jews in Nazi Germany.”
On his radio program today, Bryan Fischer discussed the same story and made a similar prediction, saying "we're getting to the point where these homofascists are going to force us to wear on our sleeve some kind of identifying marker so people will know who the racists and the homophobes and the bigots are":
Fox News “culture war” correspondent Todd Starnes chatted with Buster Wilson of the American Family Association yesterday about an email that a lieutenant colonel in Kentucky reportedly sent to a handful of subordinates encouraging them to stand up to anti-gay organizations. This obviously irked the AFA since they are on the Southern Poverty Law Center’s list of anti-gay hate groups.
Starnes asserted that if a military family subscribes to an AFA publication, the Pentagon “would be obligated at that point to monitor that family for suspicious activity.”
Wilson asked Starnes if individuals in the White House or the Pentagon who are “anti-pro-family groups, anti-Christian groups” were behind the emails.
“It appears that this administration is trying to secularize the United States military,” Starnes warned. Wilson added that the Obama administration is “dissing Christianity, traditional conservatism and what’s really American.”
Later, Starnes agreed with Wilson’s claim that the “liberally-controlled government” will use the power of the state to suppress hate groups.
Wilson: At what point does the liberally-controlled government start to say, you know what this hate group needs to be quieted, they need to be quiet, we need to shut them up, they are doing what they do because of what they say and what they say is dangerous. It’s the old shouting fire in the theatre thing, they need to be quiet.
Starnes: Once you start saying something long enough people start believing it and I suspect we’re on that trajectory. At this stage in the game I think Jerry Boykin from FRC says that it is time for Americans to stand up and it is time to start fighting back by contacting your lawmakers, contacting your representatives in Washington, not just on the phone but in person saying ‘this has to stop.’
Earlier in the program, Wilson used Melissa Harris-Perry’s commentary on the collective responsibility of raising children to warn that America is in decline. He said that he now understands why “they think that they have the right to teach them about homosexual sex and it’s okay to have feelings for someone of the same-sex in kindergarten.”
Wilson: I never thought I’d see the day when we would be talking about openly from once respected news brands like NBC saying that you don’t own your own children. I just got to tell you sometimes it breaks my heart and sometimes my wife and I will just be talking about this and we’ll just tear up, we’re like, what is going on in this country? You honestly are going to try to sell me the idea that my kids don’t belong to me, they belong to you and everybody else? No wonder they think that they have the right to teach them about homosexual sex and it’s okay to have feelings for someone of the same-sex in kindergarten, no wonder they think that because it’s their kids and that’s what they believe.
I think we are at risk of having a group like the ACLU remove God from America. This war on God, the ACLU’s roots—and I trace it in ‘Bad Samaritans’ back to its communist and very leftist roots in the 1920s—the ACLU since its founding has had an agenda to remove God. You cannot make the United States a socialist country unless you first eliminate God and attack the family. Marx said that religion was the opiate of the people and so therefore we who believe in Jesus Christ and take religion seriously are viewed as stupid or uneducated. The fundamental perspective of our founding fathers, which is what I believe, is that unless we have God at the core of the United States we lose our freedom because Thomas Jefferson when he wrote the Declaration of Independence declared our freedoms are unalienable, they’re given to us by God. If you eliminate God then it’s the state that gives and takes away our freedoms.
Rios, who earlier asserted that secular Jews often “turn out to be the worst enemies of the country,” asked Corsi about the “powerful Jewish forces behind the ACLU.” Corsi said that such forces are trying to make America “abandon the Judeo-Christian tradition” and therefore abandoning “values that are fundamental lynchpins of our freedom.”
Rios: I know that there are powerful Jewish forces behind the ACLU; can you just say a word about that very briefly, what’s that all about?
Corsi: There has been a real union between Jews in America and the Democratic Party ever since President Truman agreed with the partition of Palestine and created the state of Israel in 1948 at the UN. But my book is arguing for a Judeo-Christian faith, which is the heart of America. We cannot abandon the Judeo-Christian tradition. If we do we are abandoning our whole values that are fundamental lynchpins of our freedom.
After a discussion of the ACLU’s involvement in the Scopes Monkey Trial, Corsi said that the group is using evolution “to destroy America and eliminate our freedoms.” He said that the ACLU wants to make it so “we can’t have God in our hearts and our schools and our prayers and our public square” and that people don’t hear the “good scientific arguments” for Creationism.
He later maintained that the organization’s support for marriage equality and reproductive rights are part of “the destruction of the family and the attack on God,” which the ACLU hopes will prepare America “to embrace radical socialism.”
The ACLU is trying to say that science is evolution and anyone who doesn’t believe in evolution is just completely uneducated and stupid. That argument just doesn’t make any sense at all. I think there’s good scientific arguments for Intelligent Design, for Creationism of various kinds and theories. I mean look at the scientists nowadays coming with the Big Bang theory; the Big Bang theory sounds an awful lot to me like Genesis, and then God created light, that’s the beginning. So I think the idea that because we’re now so educated and so sophisticated we can’t have God in our hearts and our schools and our prayers and our public square, this is again something that is going to destroy America and eliminate our freedoms if we allow it to continue to happen.
The attack has been not only on God but on the family. Now we have the ACLU promoting same-sex marriage, promoting a whole sexual agenda and abortion, fighting since the beginning in the 1920s for Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood. The destruction of the family and the attack on God, taking God out of the public schools and out of the public square, this is not just by accident. It is part of the ACLU’s plan to move America in a godless direction, preparing it to embrace radical socialism, which is really just scientific materialism.
The American Family Association’s Sandy Rios last week joined otherconservativeleaders in arguing that President Obama doesn’t love America, and went one step further by asserting that Obama doesn’t love the country in the same way as “people who were born and did grow up here.”
After suggesting Obama wasn’t born here, she then said: “Now I’m not saying that he wasn’t born here…I think that’s certainly a question we can ask.”
Rios went on to say that Hawaii is “very different” from the rest of America because “it’s not the mainland.”
She concluded her rant by asserting that Obama is “not that offended when Americans are killed” in places like Afghanistan, “He doesn’t have the same sense of protection and anger over it.”
Rios: People that didn’t grow up here don’t have the same kind of love for the country. I’m sorry, I think that includes our President, I don’t think he loves the country like people who were born and did grow up here. Now I’m not saying he wasn’t born here, I’m not even going to get into that, I think that’s certainly a question we can ask. But we do know that he spent a lot of his earlier years in Indonesia, in Hawaii, you know, it’s not the mainland, it’s very different.
I have always said from the time he was running that he doesn’t love this country enough to be its president. I stand by that, I said it a very long time ago, I stand by that statement. He’s not that offended when Americans are killed. He doesn’t have the same sense of protection and anger over it.
On today's radio program, Bryan Fischer took a call from a woman named Vicki in Illinois who called in to get his advice on whether or not she needed to find another church because the one she is currently attending is gay-friendly and has not only an lesbian pastor but openly gay Sunday School teachers.
Not surprisingly, Fischer urged her to get out of that church immediately, saying that being in that environment was going to corrupt her children by getting them to think that homosexuality was okay which will "destroy them in body and soul and spirit."
Instead, Fischer counseled, she needs to find a church run by a "happily married pastor" who "has a biblical view of homosexuality that it is a sin [and] that it's not something that a healthy society ever ought to embrace":
One of the most interesting things about watching Bryan Fischer's program on a daily basis is learning to understand the bizarre manner in which he views the world. And it is not his vehement hostility to Muslims, or gays, or liberals that demonstrate his warped view of reality but simpler things like how he interprets seemingly benign comments and events.
On yesterday's program, Fischer provided a good example of the sort of lens through which he views the world when he ripped President Obama for supposedly insulting the people of Iowa by sharing a story in which Michele Obama said she could understand why people would want to own guns.
While speaking in Denver earlier this week, Obama was making a point about why it is so hard to make any progress on gun control legislation, saying that people on "both sides of the debate sometimes don't listen to each other. The people who take absolute positions on these issues, on both sides, sometimes aren't willing to concede even an inch of ground."
The key to overcoming this was to build trust, Obama said, and try to understand the positions of people with different points of view. In demonstrating this, he told a story about something Michelle said to him:
And so one of the questions we talked about was, how do you build trust? How do you rebuild some trust? And I told the story about two conversations I had. The first conversation was when Michelle came back from doing some campaigning out in rural Iowa. And we were sitting at dinner, and she had been to like a big county, a lot of driving out there, a lot of farmland. And she said, if I was living out in a farm in Iowa, I'd probably want a gun, too. If somebody just drives up into your driveway and you're not home -- you don't know who these people are and you don't know how long it's going to take for the sheriffs to respond. I can see why you'd want some guns for protection.
But for Fischer, this story does nothing but demonstrate Obama's "sneering contempt for everybody in middle America; it is condescending, it is patronizing, it's insulting" because Obama is basically saying that "Iowa is some kind of third world country" and a murderous hell hole:
On his show this Tuesday, Wilson lauded a caller who said that “our boys will never use force against our own country but they will use it to protect this country and Obama, look out,” and went on to once again promote the Oath Keepers, of which he is a member:
At another point of his show, Wilson received a call from someone who wondered if he should “shoot somebody who is going to come in my house” and take his weapons.
Wilson, rather than give the obvious answer that it is not ok to kill federal authorities, responded by telling the caller that he is “neutral” on whether it is appropriate for someone “to shoot down United States Marshals when they come to take our weapons.”
Caller: I’ve got some information, what you guys were saying, about the government buying millions of rounds of ammunition and Homeland Security buying these 2,700 assault vehicles that are supposed to be for homeland security and what goes through my mind immediately, looking at the fools that are running our country, what am I going to do when they come to my house and say: ‘We want to come in.’ ‘What did I do wrong?’ ‘Nothing, we want to look and see.’ ‘No, you’re not coming in my house.’ Am I willing to protect my home and my family and my constitutional rights because I know where I’m going when I die, but am I willing to shoot somebody who wants to come in my house and basically devastate — if they can take your weapons they can come in and take your wife or your children or whatever.
Wilson: I appreciate that and I’m going to comment on what you said. You and I right now are talking about things at the level of anarchy. I want to tell you what I don’t want to do on this program; I don’t want to have a discussion about how we are ready, willing and able to shoot down United States Marshals when they come to take our weapons. I’m not saying you wouldn’t do that or you shouldn’t do that, I’m just staying neutral on that right now. But I don’t want to talk about it because if our society breaks down that far then we are really in trouble.
RNC Chairman Reince Priebus has hailed Mike Huckabee as “a model for a lot of people in our party” on how to discuss topics such as marriage equality and abortion rights: “I always tell people: Listen to Governor Mike Huckabee…I don’t know anyone that talks about them any better.”
Yes, the RNC chairman who supposedly wants the GOP to reach out to women, people of color and gays and lesbians named Huckabee as the role model for discussing social issues.
As if that wasn’t already absurd, Huckabee is slated to headline the American Family Association retreat in North Carolina in October.
Here is a compilation of statements made by the AFA’s chief spokesman, Bryan Fischer, which we put together about two years ago, that almost feels out of date based on all of the ridiculous and ludicrous claims he makes on a daily basis.
In fact, it was on Fischer’s show where Huckabee claimed that President Obama was raised with an aversion to America.
With Huckabee set to address the AFA meeting, we can’t wait to see the other great forms of “outreach” the GOP has in store.
Bryan Fischer is furious with Bill O'Reilly over his recent statement that opponents of marriage equality do nothing but "thump the Bible" as Fischer ripped into him on his radio program yesterday, calling O'Reilly "blindly ignorant" of all the non-Scriptural arguments opponents of gay marriage have made.
Fischer admitted that anti-gay activists have indeed thumped their Bibles and have done so because it contains the revealed word of God, but they have made other arguments as well, but O'Reilly - who "a lot of the times just comes across as a pompous, arrogant windbag" - has just been "completely oblivious to this." Fischer was outraged by this "insult, this ridicule, this mockery of ordinary Americans who do believe in the Bible as the revealed word of God."
"The implication," Fischer declared, "is [that] we're a bunch of neanderthal, redneck, hillbilly Bible-bangers. That is essentially what he is saying were are ... He's insulting us to our face":
Ever since returning from his short Easter break, Bryan Fischer has been on a kick of arguing that all you really need to know about anything can be found in the Bible and if the Bible says that something is true or immoral or whatever, that is all you need to know about it.
During the opening segments on his show this week, Fischer has twicemade this very case, asserting that he is a Christian because the resurrection of of Jesus Christ is "an objective historical fact ... with abundant eyewitness testimony and no rational alternative explanation." And it is an objective fact because the Bible says that it is ... and we know that the Bible is one hundred percent true because "every time we can cross-check the Bible's record of history against external sources, it matches matches up every time."
As such, Fischer explained, "when the Bible makes claims about history, geography, the origin of all things, when it makes claims about morality and truth, you can trust everything that [it says]":
If Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus really thinks that one of the keys to moderating the GOP's image and appealing to new voters is to get the party to stop acting like "Old Testament heretics" on the issue of gay marriage, well, good luck because how Priebus thinks that is going to be possible when you have people like Bryan Fischer in the party is beyond us.
On his broadcast today, Fischer dedicated an entire segment to making the case that God says homosexuality is immoral and that is all there is too it and so this ought to be the central argument made against it every single time.
"God's wisdom trumps man's wisdom every time," Fischer declared, "and it does so in every circumstance ... It is immoral behavior and we shouldn't have any hesitation in saying that. We ought to have no qualms about declaring that it is immoral, sinful behavior. How do we know that? Because we have God's perspective, we have God's counsel, we have God's wisdom and that trumps man's wisdom. It does not matter what man says about homosexual conduct; we know that it is immoral and sinful behavior because God has revealed that to us in his word and has revealed it to us in nature":
On yesterday's program, shortly after saying that Ben Carson had been the victim of the Left's "demonic hatred," Bryan Fischer urged listeners to always stand on the word of God and refuse to apologize, compromise, or ever back down because they are involved in "spiritual warfare" and must stand firm against as they wrestle "with these dark, satanic powers."
Those who oppose Fischer's bigoted and theocratic worldview, he insisted, are being used by demonic forces and "what's animating these people, the energy they're drawing on, the energy that is being fed to them is coming from the powers of darkness":
On his radio program today, Bryan Fischer weighed in on the controversy over recent remarks made by Ben Carson to predict that Carson would never run for public office because he has realized that he cannot survive against "the hatred that exists in the homosexual activist community."
"The raw, unvarnished, vitriolic hatred and animus and hostility" has "completely blown [Carson] away," Fischer speculated, because "he had no idea of the demonic hatred that exists on the part of the media and secular fundamentalists against people who support the idea, defend the idea, of natural marriage":
The American Family Association’s Sandy Rios claimed on her radio program yesterday that the gay rights movement is encouraging the “sexualization of our children in public schools” and “softening children up with sexual information way before they’re ready for it in order to prepare them for sexual activity, for predators.”
And even closer to home, Bobby, I think the case could be made, though I’m not sure I’ve made it on this program, that the sexualization of our children in public schools through the radical homosexual movement is really just a cousin to softening children up with sexual information way before they’re ready for it in order to prepare them for sexual activity, for predators. That’s what I think is happening in our public schools.
Rios offered her theory after a conversation with Robert Lopez, a bisexual anti-gay activist, who recalled his recent trip to France to participate in anti-marriage equality protests. Marriage equality, Lopez lamented, is “a dictatorship that is being imposed on the world.”
Those of us in the United States who are very concerned about the same-sex parenting and where that’s going are not alone. I think that there are countries all over Europe and all over the world where people feel increasingly that this is a dictatorship that is being imposed on the world. And I use the word ‘dictatorship’ very consciously because, you know, they tear-gassed children and they tear-gassed politicians who were elected officials behind me while I was at the march in Paris, and it was shameful.
On yesterday's program, Bryan Fischer spent a good deal of time ripping Bill O'Reilly for saying that the supporters of marriage equality have the more compelling argument while opponents haven't been able to do anything but "thump the Bible."
Needless to say, Fischer took exception to that statement on the grounds that the only thing gay marriage opponents need to do is thump the Bible because it is the Word of God and contains God's eternal truth. That prompted a caller named David to tell Fischer that just because the Bible might disapprove of things like adultery or pornography, that doesn't mean the government ought to pass laws against them.
Fischer, of course, disagreed and argued that Biblical standards ought to be the basis for our laws, which is why he insisted that both adultery and viewing pornography ought to be illegal:
Fox News commentator Todd Starnes joined Sandy Rios on American Family Radio yesterday to discuss the marriage equality cases being argued at the Supreme Court this week. The two took a grim view of the proceedings: Starnes lamented that opponents of gay rights have become “second-class” citizens and Rios warned that a Supreme Court marriage equality victory would lead to “tremendous punishment” for anti-gay activists.
“We are in for persecution like we have never seen,” she said, to which Starnes replied, “Well, it’s already started.”
Starnes: People are, people are very concerned about, about culture and about values and where things are going in this country. What concerns me, though, Sandy, is the vitriol coming from those who support gay marriage. You know, I’m the kind of person that is more than happy to sit down and talk and debate and listen to what people have to say. I may not agree with it, but at least, you know, it’s their right to have their opinion under our Constitution.
And yet, there seems to be this opinion on the other side that says, you know what, you and I don’t deserve the same rights. You know, it’s as if we’re second-class citizens now because we support the traditional, Biblical definition of marriage, or perhaps we are pro-life, and that means we’re somehow second-class citizens who don’t deserve to be in the public marketplace of ideas.
Rios: Absolutely. In fact, it’ll be worse than that. You know there’s going to be punishment. There will be tremendous punishment. If gay marriage is embraced by the country, if the Supreme Court goes south this week in its hearings, we are in for – of course, we’re not going to hear about it until June – but we are in for persecution like we have never seen it.