Rick Joyner

Right Wing Leftovers - 11/20/13

  • Apparently, state chapters of the Christian Coalition still exist and the one in Alabama is launching a prayer and fasting campaign to save the state.
  • Rick Joyner is celebrating thirty years of ministry ... and false prophecy.
  • Costco has apologized for that fact that some Bibles in one store were accidentally labeled as "fiction." Another victory for Todd Starnes!
  • William Gheen has a list of "traitors" in the Republican Party who need to be primaried.
  • "An innovative action role-playing game [where] the message of the gospel is delivered through scripture found within the game?" Where do we sign up?
  • "The President is a liar!" says "Coach" Dave Daubenmire.

Joyner: Satan Wants To Place America Under The 'Worst Totalitarian Police State' In History

Watching Rick Joyner's "Prophetic Perspective on Current Events" program is truly an exercise in futility because Joyner possess an amazing ability to speak for extended periods of time while literally saying nothing at all, resulting in broadcast after broadcast filled with nothing vague and contradictory statements.

This week, Joyner has been defending his earlier prediction that America is headed toward martial law and insisting that he still believes to that to be the case.  And, according to Joyner, it could be the key to reestablishing the Constitution ... or it could end up leading to the worst tyranny humanity has ever known. 

So, that pretty much covers all the possibilities.

But what Joyner knows for sure is that "the enemies of God have pretty much taken control over America" and have stripped away the right to expression, the freedom of religion, and the freedom of speech so that they are now on the verge of disappearing forever if Christians don't stand up.

After all, as Joyner explained, God showed him twenty five years ago that Satan's mission is to ensure that America comes "under the worst form to tyranny there has ever been on the earth, the worst totalitarian police state there has ever been on the earth":

Bentley: It Rained Gold During Our Revival In South Africa

Back in 2008, a revival broke out in Lakeland, Florida led by Charismatic preacher Todd Bentley during which thousands of people supposedly found God, had visions, and experienced divine healings of various diseases. Shortly thereafter, Bentley fell from grace when he divorced his wife and married another woman.

Rick Joyner, a close friend of Bentley's, then set about "restoring" Bentley so that he could eventually "be fully released back into ministry."

And that restoration process must have been a smashing success, because Joyner had Bentley on his "Prophetic Perspective on Current Events" program this week to discuss another revival that he just led in South Africa during which the "Winds of Change Angel" touched Bentley's current wife, causing her to become covered in gold that she could not wash off. 

Everywhere they went, Bentley said, everything was covered in gold, from their hotel rooms to the airplanes upon which they flew and even the meeting rooms where they met with local pastors.

"I had one meeting where we were in worship," Bentley said, "and you could see the Cloud of Glory with open eyes and it rained gold.  When I say it rained gold, Rick, I actually saw it almost looked like snowflakes of gold coming down":

Right Wing Round-Up - 10/9/13

  • Josh Glasstetter @ Hatewatch: Rep. Randy Forbes to Raise Cash for Anti-Gay Hate Group on Friday.
  • Lee Fang @ The Nation: Meet the Evangelical Cabal Orchestrating the Shutdown.
  • David Edwards @ Raw Story: Gohmert shrugs off debt limit: Government can’t default if it stays shut down.
  • Ben Dimiero & Timothy Johnson @ Media Matters: Meet The Conspiracy Theorist Behind This Week's Trucker Rally In D.C. & Conspiracy Theorist Radio Host Calls For Violence If Trucker Protest Fails.
  • ADL: Extremists Exploit Issue of Immigration Through Activism.
  • Towleroad: Anti-Gay San Antonio Councilwoman Elisa Chan Resigns, Announces Bid For State Senate.
  • Alan Colmes: Rick Joyner Tells Me We’re Better Off With A Military Takeover.

Right Wing Round-Up - 10/3/13

  • Alex Pareene @ Salon: How Ted Cruz is coordinating the (incoherent) conservative shutdown strategy. 
  • Warren Throckmorton: Rick Joyner Doubles Down On Prediction That America Is Headed For Martial Law.

Joyner: 'Our Only Hope Is A Military Takeover'

On yesterday's episode of "Prophetic Perspective on Current Events," Rick Joyner declared that democracy in America has failed and that the nation might not last even to the end of President Obama's term, warning that we are heading for a tyranny from which we can only be saved by a military takeover.

"There's no way our republic can last much longer," Joyner said, adding that "we're headed for serious tyranny" because the electoral system is so broken that the leaders we need who can save this nation will never win office.  That is why "our only hope is a military takeover; martial law":

UPDATE: Joyner's ministry yanked the video (along with three others) from YouTube. We have filed counter-notices that are pending and have reposted the video using a different video service:

UPDATE II: Joyner is standing by his call for a military coup.

A recent MorningStar TV Prophetic Perspectives program that I did on how martial law is coming to America has created quite a stir. Some were outraged and some glad that the obvious had been stated. Both of these responses are understandable. The stir that was created by this is encouraging. I obviously touched a nerve, as even the national news picked it up. At least for a moment, a lot of people are alert and listening.

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I make no apologies for this statement, and I will stand by it. I did not plan for that program to be aired just as a government shutdown began. That is actually a gross overstatement for what is happening, and is one of many symptoms of the breakdown we are witnessing in our Republic.

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At best, even with the best martial [sic] possible, martial law is a very dangerous thing. America is now sailing deeper and deeper into these most treacherous seas. If there was any prophecy that I have made that I hope does not come to pass, this would be one of the highest on that list. However, like it or not, see it or not, this is where we are headed.

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When I began to see that this is now almost certainly unavoidable, I did receive encouragement that even if our present government collapsed, if we, as a nation, returned to the Lord, it would be used for good and not evil. It could be a reset, a jubilee, and our Republic could be restored on a solid foundation, one that would not be so easily shaken again. I still hold to that promise. Not only will our Republic be restored, but even more importantly, America will turn back to the Lord and fulfill our destiny and purpose.

That being said, without a soon and very radical turn back to what we were called to be as a nation, we are going to pass through a time of martial law in America. The crucial issue is who the martial [sic] is going to be. This could be a very difficult time, much darker than we can probably imagine, or it could be a time when peace and stability is restored, and the Republic is restored to its Constitutional moorings. That choice is up to Americans.

Boykin & Joyner Discuss Syria, Biblical Prophecy, And The End Times

Rick Joyner and Jerry Boykin are both encouraged but also concerned about the situation in Syria ... primarily because of what it might signal about the End Times.

Joyner is encouraged because he sees Biblical signs of the End Times everywhere he looks, which means Christians should be growing excited because the Day of Redemption is near.  But one Biblical prophecy that has not yet been fulfilled is Isaiah 17's promise that the city of Damascus will be destroyed and this prophecy, said Joyner, "has to be fulfilled before this age can end."

For his part, Boykin envisions a scenario in which the Free Syrian Army gains control of Damascus, prompting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to decide to unload every last one of his chemical weapons on the city, destroying it, killing all its inhabitants, and rendering it uninhabitable and thereby fulfilling this Biblical prophecy:

Joyner: 'The Spirit Of Death' Reigns Over Amsterdam

Earlier this year, Rick Joyner's Morningstar Ministries stopped producing the daily "Prophetic Perspective on Current Events" program, much to our dismay. But the program has now returned, complete with a fancy new studio and exciting tales of Joyner's efforts to wrestle with principalities and powers.

As he explained earlier this week, he traveled to the city of Amsterdam back in the 1990s and, while driving in from the airport, he saw that "the Spirit of Death" reigning over the city.  When he later met with various missionaries from across Europe, Joyner informed them of what he had seen and told them that whenever Satan is exposed, he attacks the earth with great wrath. And since Joyner had exposed Satan's reign over Amsterdam, he warned them that "a lot of people will die in this city tonight."

And that is exactly what happened, as that night "the worst storm in over a century" came in off of the North Sea and killed dozens of people not only in Amsterdam, but also in Scotland and Great Britain as well:

VCY America Laces Into Dominionism, New Apostolic Reformation

In 2010, Janet Porter lost her radio show on Voice of Christian Youth America (VCY America) due to concerns of her increasing embrace of dominion theology and self-proclaimed apostles and prophets. VCY America hosted a program at the time on why it considers the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR), which believes that its leaders are modern day prophets, and dominionism to be heretical.

Leaders affiliated with NAR and the dominionist movement helped organize Gov. Rick Perry’s The Response prayer rally and work with many Religious Right and Republican figures.

Earlier this week, host Vic Eliason interviewed Reverend Keith Gibson of Kansas City, where many NAR groups such as the International House of Prayer are based, about his new book, “Wandering Stars: Contending for the Faith with the New Apostles and Prophets.”

Eliason alluded to Porter’s dismissal for her attachment to Seven Mountains Dominionism, which Gibson explained believes in “taking dominion over all of the institutions of this world and Jesus cannot return until the church does that.”

Gibson also noted that false prophets in the Old Testament were stoned to death:

NAR leader Rick Joyner of MorningStar Ministries, Gibson notes, believes that his writings are “higher than the level of the authority he gives to than the New Testament epistles” and that Jesus Christ was only “a man for a time.”

Gibson also criticized Mike Bickle of the International House of Prayer and his role in the Toronto Blessing, which included “manifestations of barking and roaring and rolling on the floor and animal activities,” along with “apostle” C. Peter Wagner and “prophet” Cindy Jacobs.

In case you’re not familiar, here is video of the Toronto Blessing, for your enjoyment:

Joyner: 'Get Ready for a Second American Revolution'

Rick Joyner is once again predicting a “second American Revolution.” In his latest “prophetic bulletin,” Joyner accuses the Obama administration of establishing “tyranny” by “suppressing political opposition and even destroying the businesses and wealth of those who support causes counter to the Administrations.”

He cites the increasingly debunked claims that the White House used the IRS to target conservative groups. Joyner warns that we are “doomed” if people don’t rise up and prevent the creation of “the most oppressive totalitarian state in history.”

“The things our own Government is doing to us now are worse” than in the colonial era, Joyner writes. “We have all been duped, but now we need to all wake up or we may never wake up.”

He accuses liberals of supporting the Marxist police state, which he fears will be realized unless Americans “get ready for a second American Revolution to recover the principles and the freedoms won by the first one.”

We have a growing mountain of evidence that this most basic violation of every American’s privacy is already being used for other sinister purposes, like suppressing political opposition and even destroying the businesses and wealth of those who support causes counter to the Administrations. This is tyranny at its most basic level and the foundation of every police state. If we buy into the good intentions excuse, we are the most naïve sheep ever led to the slaughter.



What our Government is doing spying on Americans through the NSA is appalling. Yet when you combine it with the other cascading revelations about the use of the IRS, the FBI, and the DOJ to undermine or destroy political opponents, we must see that not only is the apparatus of the most terrible police state now in place, but the tactics of a police state are already being used.



All that our country was founded and built upon is at stake, and our fate will be decided over the next few months. We are now facing something much bigger than any Democratic or Republican Party issue. If this is allowed to stand, our Republic is doomed. We will soon be under the yoke of the most oppressive totalitarian state in history, made possible by our modern technology.

It has now fallen upon us to do what our Founders did when they risked their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor to throw off the yoke of the oppressor. The American Revolution was not a tax revolt as those who twist history would have us believe. The stifling and increasing taxation was number seventeen on their list of grievances. Far worse for the colonists were things like having their children kidnapped and made servants on British ships, having their property abused and even confiscated, and being treated like an occupied people by the British army. The things our own Government is doing to us now are worse.



Marx detested liberals, calling them “useful idiots.” He knew they were so naïve and easily manipulated that they could be used until absolute power had been seized. Then the liberals and the intelligentsia would be the first to be snuffed out. That has been the case with every totalitarian power to date. Why would anyone continue to think it would be different this time?

Remember Einstein’s definition of insanity—doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results? How is it that those who are supposed to be the smartest get so fooled every time? We should be encouraged that the ACLU woke up so fast to this unprecedented threat. Liberals are actually the most at risk from totalitarian control, but like the Jews in the Holocaust going to the showers thinking they were actually going to get a shower, the same tragedy is repeated over and over.

Idealism is a drug that makes you feel good while it is killing you. There is no political party, group, or single American that is not at risk from what we now have hanging over us. Everything America was born for and stands for is now threatened. We have all been duped, but now we need to all wake up or we may never wake up.



The abuses that have just been revealed about how the IRS was used to target this Administration’s political opponents are already looking like the tip of the iceberg. With Obamacare set to be managed by the IRS, it will put all of our records, health and financial, in their hands and in their control, with the authority to draw from our accounts without our permission. Might that explain why the head of the IRS visited the White House over 160 times in this Administration, three times more than even the most frequently visiting Cabinet member? We would have to be the most blind and naïve people of all time not to see the pattern of where this is headed.



Americans, get ready to arise. Get ready for a second American Revolution to recover the principles and the freedoms won by the first one.

We must also know that, in such times as these, some of the greatest patriots will be branded traitors, and some of the worst traitors can be branded patriots. We must resolve now that we will not be swayed by how we are portrayed by our Government, by our media, or even by the majority of Americans. We must resolve to just do the right thing with the conviction that liberty is worth paying any price to preserve.

If we go down in history as traitors while trying to do the right thing, we can be comforted that it will all be straightened out at the Judgment Seat of Christ. Regardless of what men may think of us now, we must take a stand for what is right for the sake of what is right and for our children. We must not be the generation that lost what so many paid such a dear price to give us. We must do the right thing because it is the right thing, leaving the consequences to the One in whom we have put our trust.

Joyner: Timothy McVeigh Was 'Left-Wing'; Media Number One Terrorist Organization In The World

Rick Joyner is under the impression that far-right domestic terrorist Timothy McVeigh was actually a “left-wing extremist” and that “the terrorist attacks that have taken place in this country if they have come from extremists they have come from the left-wing,” which proves that Joyner either knows absolutely nothing about McVeigh and domestic terrorism or is simply lying.

Joyner, who was speaking to televangelist Jim Bakker, continued by laughably claiming, “I am in the center, I am a moderate.”

Either promoting dominionism, blaming Hurricane Katrina on gay people, alleging that a secret cabal caused the 2008 economic crash to help Obama win the election and encouraging a “second American revolution” makes someone a moderate or Joyner’s perceptions on centrism are a tad skewed.

He later reiterated the claim of his fellow “prophet” Bob Jones that “the number one most powerful terrorist organization in the world is not Al Qaeda, it is our media.”

Watch:

Right Wing Leftovers - 5/1/13

  • Rick Joyner claims that Timothy McVeigh "was a left-wing extremist."
  • Focus on the Family comes to the defense of Chris Broussard and encourages activists to show him support.
  • Ted Cruz for President in 2016!
  • FRC issues its latest prayer update: "The scourge presently upon our nation - wars, devastating weather, acts of terrorism, confusion and failure among our government leaders, spiritual confusion in many of our churches, decimation of the family, economic decline, government oppression, advancing socialism, government promoted and protected abortion, homosexualized politics, etc., are all the fruits and consequences of individual and collective sin and a departure from the God of the Bible."
  • Finally, we won't hold our breath waiting for Bryan Fischer to correct the record after he spent several segments claiming that Saudi Arabia provided the US with a direct warning about Tamerlan Tsarnaev based on this article, which the Saudi government now denies.

Joyner: The Government's Failure to Stop the Boston Bombing Was Treason

Rick Joyner has traditionally been a rather low-key speaker, the sort who does not get particularly worked-up or animated about anything. But that was certainly not the case in this recent sermon he delivered in response to the Boston Marathon bombing where he declared that the federal government should have been able to prevent the attack but were hampered due to infiltration by Muslim Brotherhood operatives into high-ranking official positions.

The failure to stop the attack, Joyner said, means that the blood of the victims is on the hands of the Department of Homeland Security and was either the result of disgraceful incompetence or outright treason ... and "most people think it is treason now" because "there is a huge amount of evidence that this is being done to us intentionally":

Right Wing Leftovers - 4/17/13

  • The Family Research Council is organizing a "Stand With Scouts Sunday" event to be held on May 5.
  • Erik Rush's insistence that he was being sarcastic when he called for all Muslims to be killed in response to the Boston Marathon bombing is laughable to anyone familiar with his history of radical rhetoric.
  • On his radio program today, Glenn Beck hinted at possible plans to open a Washington, DC bureau of The Blaze in order to apply for White House credentials.
  • Sen. Marco Rubio gets a first hand look of what it is like dealing with the Right's misinformation machine.
  • Things are not going well for Mark Sanford.
  • Finally, Rick Joyner explains that Christians should not fear being the victims of a terrorist attack because if they die, they get to go straight to Heaven.

Michele Bachmann to Headline Conference with 9/11 & Sandy Hook Truther, Birthers and Anti-Gay Activists

Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) will be joining some of the most extreme right-wing activists in the country at the upcoming Awakening 2013 conference.

The Five Craziest Right-Wing Attacks on Hillary Clinton's Job as Secretary of State

For decades, the Right has attempted to discredit Hillary Clinton with attacks ranging from the disturbing (killing people) to the bizarre (killing cats). But after serving four years as Secretary of State, Clinton is leaving office with sky-high approval ratings. Before she steps down on Friday, we decided to look back on some of the most extreme and befuddling accusations she has faced from the far-right during her term as the nation’s top diplomat.

1. Clinton Engineered Benghazi Cover-Up

While the official report on the U.S. mission in Benghazi found multiple security and management breakdowns that Clinton had already taken responsibility for, many on the right claimed that she actually was behind a massive cover-up. Several Republican politicians and conservative commentators said that the Obama administration withheld military assistance while watching a live feed of the attack. The State Department’s Accountability Review Board report debunked the right-wing conspiracy theories, but that didn’t stop Fox News and conservative talk show hosts from reporting them as fact and arguing that the administration used the attack in Benghazi to pass blasphemy laws protecting Islam.

As the Right’s claims about Benghazi continued to unravel, they shifted to baselessly asserting that the administration manufactured the Petraeus affair in order to preserve the alleged cover-up and that Clinton faked a concussion and blood clot to get out of testifying about the incident. When she did testify, she faced redundant and ill-informed questions from Republicans like Wisconsin senator Ron Johnson, who skipped a classified briefing on the incident, and Kentucky senator Rand Paul, who admitted he had no proof to back up his claim that the Benghazi mission was used to send arms to Syrian rebels.

2. Clinton Supports the Muslim Brotherhood

Latching onto rumors that emerged on the far-right fringe, Rep. Michele Bachmann sought to spark a McCarthyite investigation that accused Clinton’s deputy chief of staff of acting as a Muslim Brotherhood spy. Bachmann insisted that “there has been deep penetration in the halls of our United States government by the Muslim Brotherhood,” and along with a handful of Republican colleagues, made allegations that Clinton aide Huma Abedin was working on behalf of the group.

Of course, Bachmann couldn’t substantiate her claims and literally ran away from a reporter when asked about them. Even Republican leaders criticized Bachmann for starting the witch hunt. But her unfounded claims took off in the conservative media, which was more than happy to paint Clinton and Obama as secret Islamist sympathizers, and eventually caused trouble overseas .

3. Clinton Loves Sharia

Anti-Clinton conspiracy theorists claim that her supposed Muslim Brotherhood sympathies have turned her into a covert advocate of Sharia law. Bachmann said that Clinton was working “to take away the free speech rights of the American people” and “our right of free speech and expression, religious practice, freedom of assembly, freedom of the printing press” in order to “empower the Islamists.”

Frank Gaffney of the Center for Security Policy claimed that Clinton had accepted “submission to the stealthy Islamist effort to enforce in this country the supremacist doctrine known as shariah” and the Family Research Council’s Jerry Boykin said the administration had shown “support for the infiltration of the Muslim Brotherhood into our government.” Rick Joyner, the televangelist who has worked closely with Gaffney and Boykin, was left wondering why Clinton was “advocating” Sharia:

4. LGBT Rights Advocacy Will Destroy America

While the Right’s Benghazi, Muslim Brotherhood and Sharia law claims didn’t hold water, they at least got one thing right: Clinton acted as a champion for LGBT equality while leading the State Department. The Religious Right fumed at her work on behalf of gay rights and exploded in anger following a speech in Geneva in which she defended the rights of LGBT people and called for the decriminalization of LGBT status.

Liberty University’s Mat Staver warned that Clinton was backing a “radical sexual anarchist agenda” while Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention said that Clinton’s support of “sexual paganization” would bring about God’s judgment on America. Pat Robertson reacted to Clinton’s speech by warning that God may destroy the U.S.

5. Clinton Opposes Religious Freedom

All of the conspiracy theories and accusations seem to come together in an attempt to smear Clinton as an enemy of religious freedom. Conservatives argued that she was using both gay rights and Sharia law to undercut Christianity and religious freedoms. Focus on the Family founder James Dobson and Family Research Council president Tony Perkins maintained that Clinton was trying to subvert the freedom of religion by using the term “freedom of worship,” even though the Obama administration frequently uses the phrase “freedom of religion” and President Bush talked about the “freedom of worship” without receiving a similar outcry from social conservatives.

At the Values Voters Summit, phony “ex-terrorist” Kamal Saleem even warned that Clinton was planning to “shut down” churches and synagogues this month. Since Clinton serves just one more day at the job, she better speed up with her diabolical plans!

Joyner: Gun Control is Pushing Nation Toward a 'Second American Revolution'

On the most recent episode of "Prophetic Perspective on Current Events," Rick Joyner was discussing the shooting at Sandy Hook, which he claimed was the result of demonic possession, when he warned that the shooting was going to lead to an attempt by the government to confiscate weapons, which would in turn lead to a "second American revolution."

Joyner claimed that the modern-day prophets have received several "trustworthy revelations that were warnings from above" that "we are facing, right now, the break-up of our country and it is much closer than almost anybody is talking about": 

Right Wing Leftovers - 1/3/13

  • Rick Joyer warns that "Obama has demonstrated the kind of leadership that is the foundation of tyranny" and declares that "if what is being done to us is found to have been intentional by Obama, others in our government, the Federal Reserve, or anyone one else, it is the highest form of treason."
  • After failing to purchase Current TV, Glenn Beck hints that he'll soon be launching a campaign to get his viewers to pressure their cable providers to start carrying his The Blaze network.
  • Tony Perkins' new daily radio program begins airing on Monday.
  • Gary Cass has released his list of the "Top 10 Anti-Christian Acts of 2012."
  • The National Organization for Marriage is vowing "to form an Illinois state PAC and spend $250,000 defeating Republican legislators who vote in support of same-sex 'marriage' in Illinois."
  • Finally, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach may be our new hero, thanks to this highly-entertaining debate he had today with Bryan Fischer:

'Prophets' Forecasted Romney Victory Until He Lost

Not only were many conservative leaders confidently predicting a comfortable Romney victory in last month’s elections but so were many Religious Right activists who cloaked the imminent Romney win in spiritual terms. Even the “Bible Code” pointed to a Romney presidency! Of course, President Obama ended up winning re-election and these predictions were quickly forgotten by those who made them.

But Rick Joyner is still perplexed that Romney lost given that all of his fellow “prophets” thought he’d win. In his “Word of the Week” bulletin, Joyner said he was “sorry that we did not do better in understanding this election” and wonders why he knew “a lot of prophetic people who fully expected Romney to win the election.”

The only explanation Joyner thought of was that while Christians were united against Obama like never before, they were just too afraid to vote for a Mormon.

Because the 2012 elections continue to be a source of confusion to many, we will address a couple of more lessons to learn from this to finish out this year. Then we will begin the New Year with possibly unprecedented opportunities to see our nation turn to the Lord for the greatest harvest in history.

I know a lot of prophetic people who fully expected Romney to win the election. Of those I communicated with about the election, I do not know of any who gave a prophecy that Romney would win, but it was an almost universal opinion. I did not even seek a word from the Lord about it myself because I felt that I already had His opinion. That was a huge presumption.

Bob Jones had an encounter with the Lord on January 16, 2012 in which the Lord asked him what he thought about having a Mormon for President. This was long before the Republican nomination had been decided, and Bob’s response was that he did not think very much of it. Bob held to that opinion until after the nomination was won by Romney, and then he believed that he must have been wrong and that Romney must be God’s choice. After the election, he realized how he had let his own opinions cancel out what the Lord was trying to show him in the first place.

Bob is the most seasoned and wise prophetic person I know, and in great wisdom, he embraced this correction. Even the greatest prophets still see in part and prophesy in part. We have had many prophetic words come true exactly as they were given, but we misinterpreted them until they were fulfilled. I still consider interpretation one of the greatest weaknesses in the prophetic ministry, but it was also this way throughout history, including biblical history. Even so, I believe we must do better with interpreting what we are being shown prophetically.

Some would interpret the question that Bob was asked by the Lord to mean that the Lord did not want a Mormon as President, but that is not what the Lord said either. In fact, the Lord did not say anything, but just asked a question. That question may have been the ultimate question that in fact decided the election. Maybe we should have spent far more attention trying to answer that question than we did. I’m not saying that it was, but it could have been. Romney could have been God’s choice, but I know many good Christians who did not vote because they said they could not vote for a Mormon.



This past election was too good of an opportunity to learn to sweep it under the rug. I feel that I have learned something profound almost every day since the election. Wisdom and understanding are worth much more than gold or silver. I am sorry that we did not do better in understanding this election, but I love the correction because of what I’m learning. If we learn our lessons from this, they could save us in far more crucial times to come. I hope this is helpful, and I have a bit more to share next week.

Or, maybe Romney really did win but Obama stole the election.

Joyner: 'I'm Not Convinced That the Election Was Not Stolen'

Yesterday, Rick Joyner dedicated his "Prophetic Perspective on Current Events" program to discussing the re-election of President Obama ... which he is pretty sure was stolen. 

Citing a 2006 paper from Princeton University revealing that electronic voting machines could be easily hacked, Joyner declared that he has heard lots of anecdotal evidence about voting machines changing votes cast for Mitt Romney and giving them to Barack Obama. On top of that, Joyner is sure that the implementation of Voter ID laws in Indiana and North Carolina was instrumental in swinging those states away from Obama, who won them in 2008, to Romney this year.  Add to that stories about buses full of non-English speaking voters being driving from precinct to precinct to cast votes for Obama coupled with stories of entire precincts not registering a single vote for Romney and it is pretty obvious that the election was fraudulent, which means that President Obama's second term is entirely illegitimate: 

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