Family Research Council President Tony Perkins repeatedhiscall for the impeachment of President Obama yesterday, saying that the president’s “actions suggest he is doing more to help our enemies than to help our country.”
“The problem with the president is that he has been deceptive,” Perkins said in response to a listener who called in to his “Washington Watch” radio program. “The problem with the president is that he has been lawless. He has ignored the Constitution, he has lied to the American people and his actions suggest he is doing more to help our enemies than to help our country.”
“And so this feeling of frustration that Americans are feeling is not normal,” he said. “It’s not political, it’s not partisan, it goes beyond that. This goes to the heart of the issue that people that care about this country, their families, their future, they don’t see this president as defending and advocating for America. I’m not sure what he’s advocating for.”
“He is deconstructing this nation,” Perkins continued. “He’s done it in our military, now he’s done it in our foreign policy” with the Iran deal.
When another listener called in to ask why Obama has not yet been impeached, Perkins seconded the call.
“When you begin to operate deceptively, when you violate the boundaries by which the American people have agreed to be governed, you have crossed the line,” he said, “and I think this president has crossed the line.”
He lamented that the Republican Party doesn’t have the “backbone” to begin impeachment proceedings, which is why, he said, Donald Trump is proving so popular among GOP primary voters: “Donald Trump, he is the result of the Republican Party. He is doing so well because the Republicans refuse to do what the American people elected them to do.”
Family Research Council Tony Perkins, in an apparent reference to policy changes allow openly gay and transgender people to serve in the U.S. military, said yesterday that the military is facing recruiting challenges because “they’ve turned it into a parade that looks like the bar scene in Star Wars.”
Perkins, hosting his daily “Washington Watch” radio program, took a call from a listener who suggested that the U.S. should ban immigration from “the 57 Arabic nations” in order to keep out “jihadi-ists.”
While Perkins didn’t address the caller’s point about banning immigrants from “Arabic nations,” he agreed that “legal immigration is a big problem” because “people that have come in from Muslim countries” may “threaten our country from within.”
Perkins then proceeded to go down the rabbit hole, citing the shooting at a military recruitment center in Tennessee by a U.S. citizen who came to the country when he was six years old to claim that Muslim immigrants have become such a threat that the government is now “turning America into a police state.” This led Perkins to attack the Navy over a rumor, which the Navy has denied, that it plans prosecute the lieutenant commander who fired his personal firearm at the Chattanooga shooter.
Not done yet, Perkins then sounded off about the military missing its annual recruiting goal: “Surprise, surprise. They’ve destroyed religious freedom in our military, they’ve turned it into a parade that looks like the bar scene in Star Wars and they are wondering why they can’t recruit people. It’s beyond words.”
Back in 2010, shortly before the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy for gay and lesbian service members was repealed, Perkins claimed that militaries that allow gay people to serve openly like Israel and the U.K. are “ones that participate in parades, they don’t fight wars to keep the nation and the world free.”
At last week’s Eagle Forum Collegian Summit, Sen. Jeff Sessions, Republican of Alabama, told a crowd of young conservatives that the Supreme Court was wrong in its “beyond breathtaking” ruling to legalize same-sex marriage nationwide.
“People could get married before the Supreme Court ruling, two people could call themselves married” he explained, saying that same-sex couples could “go off at the beach and have flowers and play rock music” in a symbolic, but not legally recognized, ceremony.
Sessions also took a page from Religious Right activists like Tony Perkins and Rick Wiles, and warned that Christians would soon be persecuted for their beliefs: “We are at a period of secularization in America that I think is very dangerous, it erodes the very concept of truth, the very concept of right and wrong, and there are people out there who enjoy attacking people who follow biblical directives.”
Religious Right leaders have been intensely frustrated that their inability to coalesce around a single candidate in the 2008 and 2012 GOP primaries helped John McCain and Mitt Romney, neither of which were evangelical favorites, secure the Republican presidential nomination. Strategists like Tony Perkins and David Lane dearly hoped that things would be different in 2016. As we have previously noted,
Although Perry’s tanking disrupted Lane’s plans to get conservative evangelicals to coalesce around a single candidate in 2012, it seems clear that he has similar intentions for 2016. He told the Houston Chronicle in June , “We’re going to try to eliminate the stuff that they [GOP leaders] do to us every four years, which is picking somebody who has no chance of being viable and they kill us off and we have the McCains and Romneys left.”
After the caller said that the Supreme Court's recent marriage equality decision is weakening "the hedge of protection coming across us,” Perkins readily agreed that God will lift His protective hand from the U.S. as a result of gay people getting married.
“Absolutely, absolutely,” Perkins replied, adding that with the Obergefell ruling, we “put ourselves in a very vulnerable position” just like in “1973 when the court basically said it’s open season on the unborn, there were consequences to that and I believe it’s a part of removing God’s hand of protection upon a nation.”
As we’ve noted, Family Research Council President Tony Perkins oftenspeakswithsomeveryinterestingcallers on his “Washington Watch” radio program, and yesterday’s edition was no different, as one caller told Perkins that Jewish tradition predicts a massive civil war and martial law coming to the U.S.
“Our leader, the super-left-socialist-Marxist-Muslim that we have in our Oval Office, is bringing this country down to its knees and our faith is being battered,” the caller said. “We are going to be persecuted, the day is here, the fight is on, we have to stand. And here’s the striking thing about it: Next year marks, in September and October, marks the Jewish moth of the Shemitah.”
“You’re right,” Perkins responded.
But the caller wasn’t done yet: “We will see martial law come into this country, next year. President Obama likes to be a president, likes the power, he’s not done and he is going to usher in a time when an election will not take place in this country and there will be civil disobedience in this country and the Civil War was peanuts compared to what we’re going to see.”
Perkins then said that while it would “take me a whole week to unpack all of that,” he plans to bring messianic rabbi and Religious Right activist Jonathan Cahn onto his radio show to discuss “from a historical perspective as well as a biblical perspective” the “interesting stuff” involved in the Shemittah. According to Cahn, the September 11, 2001 attacks and the 2008 Financial Crash were all part of the Shemittah cycle.
Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, suggested during a conversation with Gov. Scott Walker on his “Washington Watch” radio program last week that Planned Parenthood opposes 20-week abortion bans such as the one recently passed by the House because they can make more money selling the “parts” of later-term fetuses.
Perkins was discussing a right-wing group’s deceptively edited shock video that purported to show that the reproductive health group sells “aborted baby parts” for a profit, in violation of federal law. In reality, the group donates fetal tissue to medical research with the patient’s consent.
“This suggests why they may have been opposed to bans such as this, these five-month bans, because the longer the pregnancy goes, the more valuable the parts,” Perkins alleged.
Walker, who signed such a ban into law in Wisconsin today, didn’t address Perkins’ claim directly, but restated his desire to make sure that “Planned Parenthood is defunded from any tax dollars, be it at the local or state or the federal level.”
The two discussed the announcement on yesterday’s edition of “Washington Watch,” where Perkins wondered if military leaders should resign in protest of the policy. Boykin agreed that top military officials should quit over the matter and tell the president that “this is going to destroy our military and it’s the next thing in the chain of events that will ultimately destroy our readiness.”
Perkins added that “just a third of voters think it’s a good thing” to allow “homosexuals openly serving in the military,” despite the fact that polls taken before the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell showed 75 percent of voters supporting allowing gay people to serve openly in the military.
“This is insane,” Boykin said of the move toward allowing transgender people to serve openly.
Perkins explained that “some of these individuals would not be in a state of readiness if their units were called up because they were getting certain hormone therapies or surgeries,” claiming that it is too expensive for the military to “be paying to rearrange the parts on service members.”
“They are in a situation where those hospitals are overworked, overloaded and it’s difficult for them to get the care they need and now we’re talking about spending money to have people be able to change their plumbing, that just doesn’t make sense to me,” Boykin said.
He continued: “What do you think our adversaries are thinking as they look at us and all of the stuff that we’re doing? We’re putting women in infantry units. What do you think they think of us? What is their impression of us? I think they believe we’re a bunch of clowns that have lost our way, we don’t know where we’re going or what we’re going to do when we get there. And I think that they see exactly what’s happening in this country that we’ve lost our focus on fighting and winning wars and protecting the nation and now we are all about appealing to special interest groups, that’s what it is about.”
Perkins concurred: “I think they are very happy with what they see — not the allies, our enemies are — because this degrades our military effectiveness and readiness.”
Perkins denounced the Supreme Court for its marriage equality ruling and commended Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore for ordering judges in his state to defy an earlier federal court ruling striking down the state’s ban on same-sex marriage. Perkins wondered why more people, such as members of Congress, aren’t “challenging the Supreme Court.”
“It’s become where we have an oligarchy, where we have five unelected judges, lawyers in black robes, who have the ability to dictate law and policy for this country,” Perkins said, before warning that the supposed judicial tyranny seen in the marriage case “will be the downfall of America.”
It was only a few years ago that a local official in Louisiana drew national ire, and threats of dismissal from Gov. Bobby Jindal, for refusing to issue a marriage license to an interracial couple because he held the personal conviction that such marriages are wrong and undermine the wellbeing of children. Now, however, many Republicans are rallying around local officials who refuse to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, similarly citing their personal convictions that such marriages are wrong.
One of these officials is Casey Davis, a county clerk in Kentucky who has boasted that he will defy the Supreme Court’s ruling on marriage and deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples.
Davis appeared on the Family Research Council’s “Washington Watch” program yesterday, where he tried to portray himself as the latest victim of anti-Christian persecution in America.
Davis told host Tony Perkins, who heads the Family Research Council and recently praised Davis, that his rights are “being violated” by being asked to perform his job responsibilities.
“It’s not just me being violated but it’s both side of the coin, both sides of this issue that’s at stake here, and that is our First Amendment rights,” Davis said. “We have religious freedom in this country and if we lose that we’ve lost everything.”
Rick Santorum has been boasting recently that his prediction of legal man-dog and adult-child marriages has come true with the Supreme Court’s decision last month to strike down bans on same-sex marriage, making the case once again last week on Family Research Council President Tony Perkins’ “Washington Watch” program.
Santorum told Perkins that the recent marriage decision was “an inevitability” because of Roe v. Wade.
“Roe v. Wade is the cancer that is eating away at the body of American freedom and we’re turning into this oligarchy of judges who can impose their will on the American public,” Santorum said. “This is so troubling on so many levels. You have the abuse of the court and really robbing us of our republic. You have the abuse of the First Amendment and imposing their religious doctrine — You can say, ‘What do you mean, religious?’ Their sexual orthodoxy, let’s call it that, their morality — on the rest of this country and the destructive element of that. And then finally the destructive element being the impact on the nuclear family. I’ve been warning about all of these things and they’ve all come together in this one suit.”
Santorum went on to chide fellow Republicans who want to “move on” following the court’s ruling: “What is it about losing our republic, losing our First Amendment and losing the family that’s not worth fighting about?”
Perkins agreed with the former senator’s dire assessment, adding that “you cannot move on from something that is at the very core of who we are as a nation and without it we cease to exist, we will not be a nation.”
Perkins told Klingenschmitt that Christians should now pull their children out of public schools in the wake of the decision, before their children wind up being indoctrinated "into immoral sexuality."
"With this decision," Perkins said, "this will be used as a club to force conformance across the spectrum. I think we're now at a point where parents who are given the authority and responsibility by God to educate their children .... now, I think we're at a point where parents have to seriously consider removing their children from government schools that are going to be teaching and indoctrinating their children into immoral sexuality and this redefinition of marriage."
Caiden Cowger thinks the appearance of a "surprise blood moon" shows God's displeasure with the Supreme Court's gay marriage ruling.
Bradlee Dean fumes that the Supreme Court oligarchy is "allowing less than 1.6 percent of the population to dictate 'law' to everyone else."
Tony Perkins says that "same-sex 'marriage' isn't about building homes -- it's about destroying them."
Mat Staver warns that the gay marriage ruling is just the "tip of the iceberg."
Finally, BarbWire's Gina Miller once again offers up her reasonable assessment of current events: "The persecution of Christians in the United States will now begin in earnest, as we have not seen thus far in our nation. While many associate murder with persecution, we’re not quite there—yet (but, give it time)."
Yesterday on “Washington Watch,” Family Research Council President Tony Perkins cited President Obama’s upcoming trip to Kenya to warn that the administration is bent on pushing a “pro-abortion, pro-homosexual agenda” to the point that it isn’t lifting a finger to fight the so-called Islamic State.
Perkins, who made the remarks during a heavy anti-ISIS bombing campaign led by the U.S., said that he hasn’t “heard a peep” from the administration condemning the terrorist group’s attacks on children and Christians (something that he could have easilydisproved with a quick online search).
“Christian children being slaughtered, being killed in Iraq, and what do we hear from our administration? Nothing, absolutely nothing, because they’re too busy pushing their own radical social policy agenda,” he said, before blaming the White House’s focus on social issues for the recent cyberattack on the Office of Personnel Management.
“This administration is dangerous,” he said. “They’re not doing what they should be doing because they’re distracted out pushing their own agenda. Better watch them in the last 18 months, this could be a very, very dangerous 18 months for our nation.”
Perkins has previously said that gay rights victories in the U.S. are helping ISIS and equated the terrorist group’s brutal persecution of Christians in Syria and Iraq with how equal rights laws are supposedly persecuting of Christians in America.
Still reeling from the Supreme Court’s ruling on same-sex marriage, Family Research Council President Tony Perkins said on his radio show yesterday that the U.S. will no longer receive God’s blessing.
When a caller, Hector, told Perkins that he no longer likes to hear the phrase “God bless America” now that the Supreme Court has struck down bans on gay marriage, Perkins responded that “it’s hard for us to ask God to bless America when we have blatantly rejected what God has said a nation should do. So every time I hear that, ‘God bless America,’ I’m thinking, America is not in a posture for God to bless it.”
Perkins also claimed that he believed the U.S. should assemble a Convention of the States to amend the U.S. Constitution as a result of the marriage ruling.
“I just don’t think you can make it any worse than what our courts have made the Constitution,” Perkins said. “They’re ignoring the Constitution. They act like the average American can’t even read the plain text of the Constitution. They act as if we’re idiots. They have completely obliterated the Constitution and its meaning, treating it as if it were Silly Putty.”
Yesterday on “Washington Watch,” Family Research Council President Tony Perkins fielded a call from a listener who was responding to a segment about the purported harms of same-sex marriage by wondering why the government just doesn’t get out of the marriage business altogether. Perkins responded that the government must play a role in order to foster the wellbeing of children. The legalization of same-sex marriage, Perkins warned, will “exacerbate” societal problems like mass incarceration.
“Government has a vested interested in seeing those children grow up with a mother and a father,” Perkins said. “Now they’ve changed that policy, obviously, with this and we’re going to suffer the social consequences as a result.
“When you look at, for instance, our prison system today, and there’s a lot of effort, some of which I’m involved in, prison reform to try to scale back the prison population which is getting out of control, but 70 percent of most of the men in the prison have had little or no interaction with a father in their life. That’s why you saw about a decade and a half ago fatherhood initiatives. There is a direct correlation between increased social costs and the breakup of the family and this will only exacerbate that situation and take us further down this path.”
Earlier in the program, Perkins lamented that “logic, reason, history, social science, anthropology means nothing any more” to the Supreme Court justices who sided with marriage equality advocates last month. “If you read the majority opinion of the five judges, they discounted history, they discounted anthropology, they discounted the social sciences and reason to come to this decision.”
Perkins alleged that since the justices “ignored the Constitution” when they “trampled marriage and our First Amendment freedom of religion,” they will soon go after the freedom of speech and gun rights.
“Speech will not be far behind,” Perkins said. “And for my Second Amendment friends, and believe me I’m an ardent Second Amendment defender, that’s not going to be far behind either.”
“If we step back and allow this growing intolerance of Christianity here at the hands of our own government,” he said, “Christians, listen to me friends, Christians will die in lands far away.”
Following a discussion of the Supreme Court’s marriage equality decision and the persecution of conservative Christians that groups like the FRC claim will result from it, Perkins told the congregation, “We have allowed our own government to send a message that Christians in America don’t care about Christianity here at home. How could they possibly care about it in the Middle East?”
He then related a horrific tale of four Christian boys being beheaded by ISIS, violence that he claimed the American government gives a “green light” to because of its “hostility” toward U.S. Christians.
“We’re not being asked to die for Christ in America. We’re simply being asked to live for Christ in America,” he said. “But when we as Christians here in America shrink back from living for Jesus and we tolerate our own government’s hostility to Christianity, terrorists and tyrants in other governments will see that as a green light to persecute and to kill our brothers and sisters, and we cannot tolerate that as Americans.”
This past Sunday, Family Research Council President Tony Perkins delivered the sermon at Robert Jeffress’ church in Dallas. Although Perkins’ visit had been planned more than a year in advance, Jeffress was delighted that it ended up falling just two days after the Supreme Court struck down gay marriage bans nationwide, which Jeffress called “the greatest, most historic, landmark blunder in the history of the United States Supreme Court.”
Jeffress had some good news, though: The Supreme Court’s decision and the ensuing rainbow-flag projection on the White House all just confirm the Bible’s reports of what will happen before the return of Christ.
“What happened Friday was nothing short of an affront in the face of Almighty God,” Jeffres said in his introduction of Perkins. “And how did our president respond? President Obama responded Friday night by bathing the White House, the people’s house, in colors that represent what the Bible calls degredation, depravity and sexual perversion.”
Jeffress and his church, he said, are “not going to be silenced by the liberal left, Barack Obama or the United States Supreme Court.”
“We’re not despondent, we’re not discouraged in the least,” he added, “because everything that happened Friday is simply confirmation of what the Bible says is going to happen before the return of Jesus Christ.”
Perkins also addressed the marriage equality ruling, saying he was less concerned about being “on the wrong side of history” than on “the wrong side of the one who’s going to write the final chapter of history.”
The government, he said, had “usurped” issues like marriage and turned “the sacred into the secular.”
“I cannot see a more clear visual representation of where our nation stands,” he said, “than on Friday morning, our courts turned the sacred into the secular and that night, the president bathing the White House in the colors of Pride. God have mercy on America.”
The right-wing response to the Supreme Court’s marriage equality decision has been, quite literally, apocalyptic.
It’s only been five days since the court issued its ruling, but conservative pundits have already predicted that gay marriage will ultimately be responsible for natural disasters, terrorist attacks and the destruction of freedom.
While there haven’t been any terrorist attacks against the U.S. since the court’s ruling, whenever there are, anti-LGBT activists will know who to blame: gay people who want to get married.
“They have thumbed their nose at God’s design for man, a man and a woman designed from the beginning of time and creation, and it will not, it will not stand,” she added. “While we’re under such terrible terror threats, you know, our protections have been lifted and that’s what they don’t understand.”
Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, also warned that “God’s hand of protection will be withdrawn as future actions from external and internal forces will soon make clear. I will do all I can to prevent such harm, but I am gravely fearful that the stage has now been set.”
“America’s elite leadership have taken the side of the enemies of God, and He will take notice,” WorldNetDaily editor Joseph Farah warned, claiming that such divine judgment “could come in the form of an attack on our country from foreign power or terrorist group.”
Rick Wiles, host of the End Times radio program “Trunews,” similarly predicted that God will now “lift His hand of protection from this nation” and “permit America’s enemies to attack this nation.”
Cliff Kincaid of the conservative group Accuracy in Media was a little more tame in his reasoning but came to the same conclusion: “A country that descends to the bottom of the barrel morally and culturally will not be able to defend itself against its foreign adversaries and enemies. Indeed, we have the evidence all around us that, as the culture has degenerated, our ability to defend ourselves has simultaneously been weakened.”
2)Forced gay sex
The right-wing warnings of “forced homosexuality” are now coming true, at least according to one pastor. Tim Brooks of the Christian Ministries Church told one conservative radio program that gay people, just like the men of Sodom who tried to rape angelic visitors, “are trying to force their lifestyle on him, come out and have sex with us, have to participate.”
Record-breaking floods have inundated Washington, D.C. just days after the Supreme Court decided they knew better than God. I seem to remember another time in history when there was a record-breaking flood.
God painted the sky with rainbow colors after that flood. This go-around - Obama painted the White House with rainbow colors.
Anybody got an ark?
Heavy rain may not be the only result of same-sex marriage (besides equal marriage rights for gay people), as some Religious Right pundits also believe that divine wrath will come in the form of food shortages and drought.
Wiles warned that “God will cut off America’s food supply and this nation will be hit with disease, pestilence, drought, natural calamities and a great shaking.”
“Nothing grabs the attention of the distracted faster than the complete removal of all creature comforts and extravagant wealth,” Christian Post columnist Michael Bresciani said. “Crops will fail, stores will close and commerce will come almost to a complete stop. It will not be pretty. Add to that, attacks from our enemies and natural disasters rising to meet the pride of the sinners’ right where it hurts the most.”
Five years ago, Religious Right leaders confidently predicted that prison cells and court rooms would fill up with pastors after the passage of the 2009 Hate Crimes Act. Of course, such events never occurred, but now the same anti-LGBT activists are making the samefalseclaims about the supposed consequences of same-sex marriage.
“Pastors who refuse to perform gay marriage and preach from the Bible should prepare for hate crime charges,” Starnes said. “All dissent will be silenced.”
Richard Land, a former leader of the Southern Baptist Convention’s political arm, was a little more cautious, explaining that pastors will indeed face prison if they refuse to officiate same-sex couple’s weddings, but only after the government takes a few “intermediate steps.”
Just days prior to the Supreme Court’s marriage ruling, Glenn Beck said that if the court were to decide in favor of same-sex couples, then the Bible would be outlawed as a “hate book.” Just hours after the decision came down, Beck offered another dire warning: He will lose his show.
“This could mean the end of radio broadcasts like mine,” Beck said, insisting that he will be taken off the air simply because he is “for traditional marriage.”
7)Taking kids from their parents
Chicago-based pastor Erwin Lutzer believes that parents who oppose same-sex marriage may lose custody of their children following the Supreme Court’s marriage ruling, predicting that “parents that homeschool children, religious parents, will be diagnosed as culturally intolerant and personality intolerant. And therefore, as a result, their children will be taken away from them.”
Rios, the AFA official, even warned that children may be forced to spy on their parents like in the Soviet Union.
8)This means war
Conservative legal activist Larry Klayman denounced the marriage equality ruling as a “harbinger to revolution,” urging Americans to take to rebellion like the Founding Fathers did.
“If evil despots have compromised even our Supreme Court, the ultimate protector and ‘decider’ of our rights, then what choice is left to us?” Klayman asked. “John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin certainly know, from their own experience with King George, and from their graves they see what now again lies ahead and what must be done to restore freedom to our shores.”
One conservative pundit, Bill Muehlenberg, told readers that “a major proper response for Christians and others” to the Supreme Court’s ruling “is massive civil disobedience and defiance of this homo-fascist decision.”
9)Pedophilia now legal
Former House GOP Majority Leader Tom DeLay, who promised that “all hell is going to break loose” if the Supreme Court decided to strike down state bans on same-sex marriage, declared that he has uncovered a “secret memo” from the Department of Justice that reveals plans to legalize “having sex with little boys,” along with bestiality and polygamy.
The website run by West, the former congressman, even claimed that pedophilia supporters celebrated the Friday ruling. As the myth-busting website Snopes notes, the blog post on West’s site was “lifted almost entirely from an article published in 2011 and in no way reflected a claim prompted by a June 2015 Supreme Court decision regarding same-sex marriage.” They add that the 2011 story “originated with a writer who has been asserting for years (less than accurately) that the push for gay rights is manifestly setting the stage for legalized ‘pedophilia rights.’”
Perhaps the blog post’s author received this news from David Barton, the right-wing pseudo-historian who just days before the court issued its ruling alleged, falsely, that pedophilia became “legally protected” following the passage of the 2009 Hate Crimes Act.
10)Criminalization of Christianity
The most prominent claim coming from the Religious Right in response to the Supreme Court’s decision has been what Family Research Council President Tony Perkins has called the government attempt to “eliminate” religious beliefs that oppose gay rights.
“In one appalling decision, the Supreme Court has effectively opened the door to the criminalization of Christianity when it comes to the marriage issue ... and not just Christianity, but every major religion that supports God’s model for marriage and family,” warned Penny Nance of Concerned Women for America.
Right-wing pundit Matt Barber made a similar claim: “The goal of ‘LGBT’ activists and secular progressives has long been to pit the government directly against the free exercise of religion – Christianity in particular – and to silence all dissent.”
One FRC official, Craig James, said that conservatives who oppose the same-sex marriage decision should respond to the coming persecution and ridicule “in love” … just like the families of the Charleston massacre.